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Apr 27 2018 02:19pm
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Apr 27 2018 03:12pm)
Why am I starting to like your images now ?


I'll post the Trump cult stuff if it's funny.
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Quote (JohnMiller92 @ 27 Apr 2018 16:11)
"in court"

:rofl:


Quote (Black XistenZ @ 27 Apr 2018 16:27)
impeachment is imminent, just you wait and see!


what are you on about? i'm talking about his comments regarding cohen being his legal representation in the stormy daniels matter...
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Quote (IceMage @ Apr 27 2018 12:56pm)
The cult is so desperate for a win that they'll be happy with Trump giving up anything for some sort of nuclear deal.


Korea is doing it on purpose so that Trump doesnt complain about the deal
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Apr 27 2018 03:07pm
Quote (Ghot @ Apr 27 2018 02:18pm)
Uh, what "deal" would that be? Last I read, Trump said sanctions will continue against NK until the nukes are gone.


there is only one potential "deal" that isn't terrible, and it's the one Trump won't make. Whether he pulls sanctions or pull troops it's a bad deal. Any deal at all is a bad deal with the Kim's because they aren't to be trusted. The only good deal involves Kim and his entire regime stepping down and ceding control to SK, which won't happen. Everything else is just them shaking us down for money while they laugh in back rooms and maintain their weapons.
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Apr 27 2018 03:13pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 27 Apr 2018 23:07)
there is only one potential "deal" that isn't terrible, and it's the one Trump won't make. Whether he pulls sanctions or pull troops it's a bad deal. Any deal at all is a bad deal with the Kim's because they aren't to be trusted. The only good deal involves Kim and his entire regime stepping down and ceding control to SK, which won't happen. Everything else is just them shaking us down for money while they laugh in back rooms and maintain their weapons.


the exact same argument could have been made with respect to Iran and Obama.
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Apr 27 2018 03:16pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 27 2018 03:13pm)
the exact same argument could have been made with respect to Iran and Obama.


Only if you don't know anything about iran.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 27 2018 03:13pm)
the exact same argument could have been made with respect to Iran and Obama.


you're right, i made it

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 27 2018 11:01am)
Obama makes terrible deal to de-nuclearize Iran when everyone knows it's temporary at best = "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Trump makes terrible deal to de-nuclearize NK when everyone knows it's temporary at best or pardoning a literal Hitler = MAGA MAGA MAGA

shit's weird. Funny how quick the "let's wait for the facts" crowd turns into "TRUMP IS A GENIUS EVEN THOUGH NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA WHAT ANY OF THIS MEANS"


that post reads that hypocrisy is the issue, not that they're different.

although i know too much about NK and too little about Iran to make a credible argument about why they're different on a detailed level.
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Apr 27 2018 03:39pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 27 Apr 2018 23:16)
Only if you don't know anything about iran.


can their rulers be trusted? no.
will they ever give up the idea of becoming a nuclear power? no.
will they ever voluntarily cede control to the people and allow iran to become a democracy? hell no.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 27 2018 03:39pm)
can their rulers be trusted? no.
will they ever give up the idea of becoming a nuclear power? no.
will they ever voluntarily cede control to the people and allow iran to become a democracy? hell no.


Those are pretty awful comparisons for this purpose.

Will they ever give up the idea of becoming a nuclear power? Their agreement to the Iran deal says they are fine with it if it ensures their continued survival.

They also have elements of a Democracy even if their president shares power with the religious head of the country.

They also don't have a culture embargo, and have a citizenry that is very upset when they don't get western products, so as a country they can be swayed much easier than North Korea.



You need to do more reading on Iran before we can even have this conversation because there are A LOT of reasons why they aren't comparable. Most notably in that they aren't a dictatorship above the control of the citizenry by virtue of cult-like leadership tactics.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 27 2018 03:55pm
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