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May 30 2018 12:07am
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/05/29/busted-yashar-ali-fabricates-quote-to-defend-false-report-from-new-york-times/

so in case anyone followed that brief spat with the NYT and Trump the past couple days, looks like the evidence is out there now
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On Thursday, for example, a senior White House official told reporters that even if the meeting were reinstated, holding it on June 12 would be impossible, given the lack of time and the amount of planning needed.

Trump then tweeted:
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The Failing @nytimes quotes “a senior White House official,” who doesn’t exist, as saying “even if the meeting were reinstated, holding it on June 12 would be impossible, given the lack of time and the amount of planning needed.” WRONG AGAIN! Use real people, not phony sources.

And today we got the actual audio and transcript from the official, who was identified as being a very real person, but not saying what the NYT claimed he said:
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The ball is in North Korea’s court right now. And there’s really not a lot of time — we’ve lost quite a bit of time that we would need in order to, I mean, there’s been an enormous amount of preparation that’s gone on over the past few months, at the White House, at State, and with other agencies and so forth. But there’s a certain amount of actual dialogue that needs to take place at the working level with your counterparts to ensure that the agenda is clear in the minds of those two leaders when they sit down to actually meet and talk and negotiate, and hopefully make a deal. And June 12 is in 10 minutes, and it’s going to be, you know… But the President has said that he has, someday, that he looks forward to meeting with Kim.


It was a pretty significant mischaracterization for the NYT to claim the official was saying its impossible to hold the summit, which is both not a word he used and not the same thing he said either. For US foreign policy its a huge difference between saying that rescuing the summit is difficult and saying its impossible, because that has huge repercussions on our negotiations with the DPRK, and the NYT is probably influencing that to some extent. And Trump in his typical manner mirrored their inaccuracy with his own and reflexively called their source phony- which is only half true, insofar as the quote was a confabulation but the source wasn't.

Now after this little spat, I'd like to point out how this reflects on the use of anonymous sources by all the NYT/WaPo/CNN/etc: If the NYT can be so palpably misstating what a direct white house official related to them and we have on record in audio, how can you trust what they claim an anonymous source of unknown origin told them in an unknown context on any given story? Not just in terms of the purple-monkey-dishwasher effect or the veracity of their sources, but their misrepresentation willful or not is a huge deal.
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May 30 2018 12:14am
Oh, I know this one. You can't trust them? :D


/e Darn. What is "You can't trust them".

/ee I keep noticing that Trump is still getting votes in the poll. He only had 564 votes a few days ago. :)

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May 30 2018 07:04am


Following the classified briefing on the FBI's source(Stefan Halper):

"I am even more convinced the FBI did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do." - Trey Gowdy



This post was edited by IceMage on May 30 2018 07:05am
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May 30 2018 09:36am
Now trump is saying he wishes he never hired sessions. So how many more mooches is he going to last?
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May 30 2018 11:45am
4600+ americans dead :o
is k, they all brown tho
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMsa1803972
Our results indicate that the official death count of 64 is a substantial underestimate of the true burden of mortality after Hurricane Maria. Our estimate of 4645 excess deaths from September 20 through December 31, 2017, is likely to be conservative since subsequent adjustments for survivor bias and household-size distributions increase this estimate to more than 5000.
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May 30 2018 12:28pm
Quote (duffman316 @ May 30 2018 11:45am)
4600+ americans dead :o
is k, they all brown tho
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMsa1803972
Our results indicate that the official death count of 64 is a substantial underestimate of the true burden of mortality after Hurricane Maria. Our estimate of 4645 excess deaths from September 20 through December 31, 2017, is likely to be conservative since subsequent adjustments for survivor bias and household-size distributions increase this estimate to more than 5000.


Ah yes, the time tested approach of ignoring actual certified reporting and instead phone polling people and then arbitrarily 'adjusting' the results and winding up with a hilariously imprecise range of an entire order of magnitude.
At least when the NCVS does it and says that literally zero white-on-black rapes occurred nationwide in an entire year, they recognize that their statistics are garbage

Cold calling puerto rican households long after the fact and then asking if they knew anyone who died, creates so many layers of misreporting nobody could plausibly create a meaningful statistic from it. Double counting deaths, bias towards those willing to respond, bias against those unable to respond, bias against those who left the island, arbitrarily defining criterion for deaths due to maria, having no control sample of self-reported mortality to compare to, etc

>We calculated excess deaths by comparing our estimatedpost-hurricane mortality rate with official rates for the same period in 2016.
>We calculated our bananas by comparing our apples to their oranges.
really does remind me of 'rape statistics'

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 30 2018 12:28pm
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May 30 2018 12:30pm
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Ah yes, the time tested approach of ignoring actual certified reporting and instead phone polling people and then arbitrarily 'adjusting' the results and winding up with a hilariously imprecise range of an entire order of magnitude.
At least when the NCVS does it and says that literally zero white-on-black rapes occurred nationwide in an entire year, they recognize that their statistics are garbage

Cold calling puerto rican households long after the fact and then asking if they knew anyone who died, creates so many layers of misreporting nobody could plausibly create a meaningful statistic from it. Double counting deaths, bias towards those willing to respond, bias against those unable to respond, bias against those who left the island, arbitrarily defining criterion for deaths due to maria, having no control sample of self-reported mortality to compare to, etc

>We calculated excess deaths by comparing our estimatedpost-hurricane mortality rate with official rates for the same period in 2016.
>We calculated our bananas by comparing our apples to their oranges.
really does remind me of 'rape statistics'



Facts dont matter. Just fake outrage and repetition

This post was edited by EndlessSky on May 30 2018 12:30pm
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May 30 2018 12:34pm
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Facts dont matter. Just fake outrage and repetition


post that lesbian domestic violence study that lost the professor his tenure so we can get a better idea about which facts matter when you're frantically googling to back up bullshit.

when the subject is bad methodology you would be better off pretending like you're afk.
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May 30 2018 12:36pm
They say lawyers belong at the bottom of an ocean, but I say with 95% confidence that statisticians belong at the bottom of a volcano
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May 30 2018 12:51pm
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post that lesbian domestic violence study that lost the professor his tenure so we can get a better idea about which facts matter when you're frantically googling to back up bullshit.

when the subject is bad methodology you would be better off pretending like you're afk.


If you have to go back three years to find one mistake youre pretty desperate
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