Quote (dro94 @ Mar 24 2020 03:03pm)

Got a feeling that American culture of individualism and freedom is going to lead to people flaunting social distancing measures even more than in European countries and lead to a dire situation over there.

Quote (fender @ Mar 24 2020 02:49pm)

i'm pretty sure i never lowered myself to your (inadvertently hilarious) standards:



'condescending contempt', huh? lol.

whatever, FACT is that your healthcare is NOT "perfectly fine", and you're dangerously gullible / delusional for suggesting that. FACT is that your response could have been better (despite your terrible healthcare system) if trump had taken the issue seriously, instead of misleading the american people, rejecting any responsibility, and not managing to display any kind of leadership. FACT is that every country that handled this crisis reasonably well so far, has some kind of universal healthcare system.

you can cry and moan, make excuses and deflect, ignore science and reality... but that won't change those undeniable truths. facts don't care about your feelings, buddy.




lazy whataboutisms aside (everyone here already agrees that xi is a lying scumbag, who at the very least severely exacerbated the impact of this virus with his initial response to it), how is this "dishonest"?
are you suggesting that trump was, in fact, NOT downplaying this crisis? are you suggesting those videos of him proving that, are fake? what exactly is your issue here?

Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 24 2020 02:51pm)

there's also reason to put failures of the healthcare system in real time in context. if we know where the most cases are in relation to the least amount of available care we can streamline the response. rather than forwarding a "the whole healthcare system is fucked" narrative when in reality the worst outcomes will be regional.

too many people think just declaring that the sky is falling is effective, when in reality a more measured approach can save more lives.

Quote (dro94 @ Mar 24 2020 03:03pm)

Got a feeling that American culture of individualism and freedom is going to lead to people flaunting social distancing measures even more than in European countries and lead to a dire situation over there.

Quote (Kayeto @ 24 Mar 2020 19:58)

A politician in charge touting the narrative of "things are fine" is akin to a defense lawyer saying things that make his client look innocent. There's no grounds to criticize them for supporting a false narrative: they are just doing their job.

Responsibility lies on the viewer to understand the difference between "the words of a politician" and "useful information". Its not Trump's fault that he was born into a system in which his job was to say false things that support his administration's goal. Anyone else who has been elected would have been in the same position.

If you are mad that we live in a world where masses of people wrongly conflate "worlds of politicians" with "an attempt to provide reliable information", then where should that anger be directed? At the media for polarizing the narrative even more, when they could instead be translating it into something more rational? At the masses of people, for listening to the wrong media?

Quote (dro94 @ Mar 24 2020 12:03pm)

Got a feeling that American culture of individualism and freedom is going to lead to people flaunting social distancing measures even more than in European countries and lead to a dire situation over there.

Quote (fender @ Mar 24 2020 01:49pm)

'condescending contempt', huh? lol.

whatever, FACT is that your healthcare is NOT "perfectly fine", and you're dangerously gullible / delusional for suggesting that. FACT is that your response could have been better (despite your terrible healthcare system) if trump had taken the issue seriously, instead of misleading the american people, rejecting any responsibility, and not managing to display any kind of leadership. FACT is that every country that handled this crisis reasonably well so far, has some kind of universal healthcare system.

you can cry and moan, make excuses and deflect, ignore science and reality... but that won't change those undeniable truths. facts don't care about your feelings, buddy.

Quote (Kayeto @ Mar 24 2020 02:02pm)

do you think it would be a good idea for him to actually say, in a news conference, that a reasonable guess is that 3% of Americans are going to die in the next 6 months? Would saying that truth constitute "him doing his job well"?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 24 2020 09:55am)

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Quote (fender @ Mar 24 2020 03:07pm)

just when i thought we had reached the pinnacle of delusional apologism... holy fuck...

do you have the slightest clue how ridiculous that sounds to anyone who isn't a member of the trump cult?

you know which leaders are 'doing their jobs'? those that took this seriously and addressed it appropriately, while at the same time trying to calm their nations by displaying competence and leadership in handling the situation and implementing the necessary measures - not those that blatantly mislead their people about the seriousness of the threat, and rejected any responsibility. this is NOT on 'the system', this is personal failure. seriously, what a pathetic excuse...