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Aug 9 2022 06:59am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 9 2022 07:55am)
Side note: from a democracy point of view, the era in the 1880s was a nightmare, with the largest state in the nation also being the most tightly balanced and unilaterally deciding election after election.
Imagine in the current environment if California or Texas were THE pivotal swing state - their TV would consist of nothing but political ads for 5 months straight, lol.


right! that would suck ass.

Tammany Hall calls into question whether the US was even close to a democracy previous to western expansion which gave electoral power to many regions via statehood. before the 1840s-50s with the large boom of statehood i'd wager no. Putin's sham elections of modern day are likely far more fair and honest than say the election of Andrew Jackson. who likely would have won regardless via a populist movement, but didnt even need to stay up of a night with Tammany support. they were America's kingmakers.

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right! that would suck ass.

Tammany Hall calls into question whether the US was even close to a democracy previous to western expansion which gave electoral power to many regions via statehood. before the 1840s-50s with the large boom of statehood i'd wager no. Putin's sham elections of modern day are likely far more fair and honest than say the election of Andrew Jackson. who likely would have won regardless via a populist movement, but didnt even need to stay up of a night with Tammany support. they were America's kingmakers.


You're surely aware of the guy, but anyone who isn't should really read up on "Boss Tweed":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed

The guy was so corrupt that he became a billionaire in 2010s dollars from bribes and embezzlement alone.

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"an American politician most notable for being the political boss of Tammany Hall, the Democratic Party's political machine that played a major role in the politics of 19th-century New York City and state. At the height of his influence, Tweed was the third-largest landowner in New York City, a director of the Erie Railroad, a director of the Tenth National Bank, a director of the New-York Printing Company, the proprietor of the Metropolitan Hotel,[2] a significant stockholder in iron mines and gas companies, a board member of the Harlem Gas Light Company, a board member of the Third Avenue Railway Company, a board member of the Brooklyn Bridge Company, and the president of the Guardian Savings Bank."



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For example, the construction cost of the New York County Courthouse, begun in 1861, grew to nearly $13 million—about $178 million in 2017 dollars, and nearly twice the cost of the Alaska Purchase in 1867.[19][24] "A carpenter was paid $360,751 (roughly $4.9 million today) for one month's labor in a building with very little woodwork ... a plasterer got $133,187 ($1.82 million) for two days' work".[24] Tweed bought a marble quarry in Sheffield, Massachusetts, to provide much of the marble for the courthouse at great profit to himself


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Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 9 2022 03:30am)

I'd also like to think that even stretched as it is now, our nation is resilient enough that a civilian president simply lacks the capacity to cling to power, that any attempt to force the issue by action and declare martial law or roll in tanks or crown himself king would be scoffed at and fail. We don't need Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell carrying daggers under their toga to intercept Trump as he walks to the theater.


Caesar was able to seize power because the whole rotten edifice of the Republic was ready to come tumbling down. The collapse of the Republic was ~150 years in the making, dating back to the lynching of the Gracchi brothers and the gradual estrangement of the proles within Roman society. The Populares were unsurprisingly popular, and could command enormous public support via the mob. The Republic during the First Triumvirate was a glorified dictatorship by committee in any case.

Trump or any other politician can't seize power because the institutional pillars of American government are still far too strong. The Courts are not going to allow it, and no candidate has nearly enough public support to override the resistance of both the bureaucracy and the legislative branch. The death of American republicanism will only come when the bureaucracy is thoroughly weaponized, the courts are undermined, and the legislative is subordinated by overwhelming popular support for the incumbent President. Of the two parties, the Democratic party is the only one close to accomplishing the first two, and neither is remotely close to achieving the third.
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You're surely aware of the guy, but anyone who isn't should really read up on "Boss Tweed":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed

The guy was so corrupt that he became a billionaire in 2010s dollars from bribes and embezzlement alone.




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Aug 9 2022 07:34am
So has this been confirmed to be a ridiculous joke yet?

I see they have uncovered damning photographs of a “trump toilet”!! These photographs appear to show the words, “where” and “qualifies” written in :o sharpie!!! This is what is going to take him down!!!! Those damning official documents written in bold sharpie.

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/08/trump-toilet-photos-maggie-haberman

:bonk: what a joke


Edit: I also see you can almost make out stephanik in the toilet as well, where she rightly belongs.

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Aug 9 2022 07:43am
those photographs aren't from the raid :bonk:
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So has this been confirmed to be a ridiculous joke yet?

I see they have uncovered damning photographs of a “trump toilet”!! These photographs appear to show the words, “where” and “qualifies” written in :o sharpie!!! This is what is going to take him down!!!! Those damning official documents written in bold sharpie.

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/08/trump-toilet-photos-maggie-haberman

:bonk: what a joke


Edit: I also see you can almost make out stephanik in the toilet as well, where she rightly belongs.


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Aug 9 2022 09:05am
some one look this up
the judge who signed off on the warrant to search Trumps home, was the attorney for Jeffrey Epstein?
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some one look this up
the judge who signed off on the warrant to search Trumps home, was the attorney for Jeffrey Epstein?


As soon as the Epstein shit went down,.. Trump shut the fuck up.



Maga Tards Need To Jump Trump Train.

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Aug 9 2022 09:22am
Quote (Mondain @ Aug 9 2022 08:11am)
As soon as the Epstein shit went down,.. Trump shut the fuck up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLXFgtbl-80

Maga Tards Need To Jump Trump Train.

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you sure it isnt all scripted all of it? check out my trump thread I am going to post something
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