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In absence of a society taking away your rights, you have every right possible. Including the right to take the lives of others. All rights are enforced by violence, and the ones with the greatest capacity for violence create the rules. We have, as a society, pooled our capability of violence and created largely agreed upon rights. One of them is that if you kill another person without justification, you will be punished. Thereby establishing the "right to life". This hasn't always been the case even in the United States. A slave did not have a right to life. Neither do death row inmates. So yes, the right to take a life exists, and by default stands with all individuals until it is removed by the state.

As for the question of personhood, I think the earliest we could possibly establish personhood is around 23 weeks, when there is enough of a brain that we can infer consciousness. Prior to that a fetus is an object since it has never developed a consciousness. You can define personhood however you want, it's ultimately opinion, but not all opinions are equally valid.

To illustrate my point let's consider the possibility that in the future we have a device that can replace any organ. Born without a kidney? We implant a device that acts as your kidney. Born without lungs? Same thing. The ONLY part of your body that defines you as a person is your conscious brain. You can remove literally everything else, piece by piece, and you will still be a person until your conscious brain is removed. A device that "replaces your brain" can't exist, because you are your brain. You are the neuronal connections and all the idiosynchraties that comes with being made of neurons.



Okay so you base your argument on the assumption about when consciousness begins. Although consciousness is based on philosophy. Okay. Whatever you are using philosophy to make your case. Yup.

Death row. 14th amendment “without due process”

Rights for slaves is in an amendment.

You believe there is an innate right to take a life, and we are entitled to just kill anybody until there is a law saying we cannot.

Yup okay. You should be a lawyer.




Holy fuck. You are far more disgusting than I have thought. As in truly awful. You can use long sentences, big words, whatever. So can I. You literally said restricting abortion is akin to restrict your fat fucking ass eating a sandwich.


I am done arguing this with your disgusting fucking ass. This is a touchy subject for me and I let my cool until you made that comparison.

Scroll up for almost every part of my position on abortion and defenses of those positions I am done with this fuck.
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Dec 4 2021 03:48am
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ 4 Dec 2021 09:32)
The right to take a life is not a right.


You are disgustingly comparing killing a person to eating a sandwich.


Just answer with a yes or no. Is a fetus a person. I am absolutely not going to debate with you because a fetus is a person. I don’t care how you define life or what time frame you believe changes a fetus from not being alive to being alive.

Is a fetus a person?


you have no right to force women to keep their pregnacy, especially in early stages where fetus is 5 g weight. Btw the vaste majority of abortions are happening very, very, early. m
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Dec 4 2021 03:52am
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you have no right to force women to keep their pregnacy, especially in early stages where fetus is 5 g weight. Btw the vaste majority of abortions are happening very, very, early. m



Sorry I am done with this scroll up for any argument from me please. I have been very clear on my positions.

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Dec 4 2021 03:54am
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Okay so you base your argument on the assumption about when consciousness begins. Although consciousness is based on philosophy. Okay. Whatever you are using philosophy to make your case. Yup.
Death row. 14th amendment “without due process”
Rights for slaves is in an amendment.
You believe there is an innate right to take a life, and we are entitled to just kill anybody until there is a law saying we cannot.
Yup okay. You should be a lawyer.

Holy fuck. You are far more disgusting than I have thought. As in truly awful. You can use long sentences, big words, whatever. So can I. You literally said restricting abortion is akin to restrict your fat fucking ass eating a sandwich.
I am done arguing this with your disgusting fucking ass. This is a touchy subject for me and I let my cool until you made that comparison.
Scroll up for almost every part of my position on abortion and defenses of those positions I am done with this fuck.


That we have an innate right to take a life is an observation. Not my opinion. I can just straight up grab a bat and bludgeon somebody on the street, and if nobody cares to punish me... then what? Literally nothing. I had the right, and exercised it. Same as I'm doing now by typing on my computer. It is only because we have pooled our collective force into a state that we do not have the right to take lives. A slave holder who bludgeons his slave, even though the slave is a person, was not punished. The slave, despite the total undeniability of its personhood did not have a right to life until the state extended it to him by the reconstruction amendments.

I find it funny that you think I'm using "big words". I am very intentionally not using big or complex words. You are revealing your own shortcomings rather than any with my argument lol.



Also, don't mix up "having a right" with "it is moral to use the right". I have a right to cheat on my wife, doesn't mean it's moral or desireable to do so. Just that the state won't punish me for it.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Dec 4 2021 03:56am
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Sorry I am done with this scroll up for any argument from me please. I have been very clear on my positions.

Have a fine evening.


It's important to realize that the vaste majority of entities like planned parenthood are doing this:

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/morning-after-pill-emergency-contraception

and stopping them creates more late-stage unwanted pregnancies... :bonk:

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Dec 4 2021 05:26am
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Sorry I am done with this scroll up for any argument from me please. I have been very clear on my positions.

Have a fine evening.


Wicked once again tucks tail and runs when confronted with arguments he can't handle.

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Dec 4 2021 05:31am
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Women don't get pregnant alone idiot. People like you are why I support common core.



With no sense of irony or insight.


Good point. Since a baby cannot be created without a man, I think the man should also have a say in whether a woman is allowed to get an abortion or not.
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Wicked once again tucks tail and runs when confronted with arguments he can't handle.

SAD



Absolutely not. I choose to stop conversing with a piece of garbage who equates unborn children to sandwiches. There is plenty to discuss but that is just a morally outrageous analogy, and shows you are coming from the standpoint of dehumanizing unborn children. At that point there is no grounds for argument.

Your arguments are insane leaps from the topic, and your attempts at legal arguments are just wrong.

Before your posse of leftist idiots wake up to hop on the tail end of this, I challenge you to actually read the conversation we had.

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Absolutely not. I choose to stop conversing with a piece of garbage who equates unborn children to sandwiches.

Your arguments are insane leaps from the topic, and your attempts at legal arguments are just wrong.

Before your posse of leftist idiots wake up to hop on the tail end of this, I challenge you to actually read the conversation we had.


You responded to literally none of my arguments except to declare how offended you are. Such a snowflake lol.
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Dec 4 2021 06:01am
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You responded to literally none of my arguments except to declare how offended you are. Such a snowflake lol.



I have challenged every single thing you have said all night, up to and a little after that. You refuse to concede even things that are explicitly written in the constitution. It is exhausting having to say the same thing repeatedly as you try to scramble your word salad around more and more when you were wrong to begin with.

Get your last word in though so you can triumphantly state that I am running away, I have to do real life things. Fucking clown.
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