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Sep 28 2020 12:08pm
Quote (Bazi @ 28 Sep 2020 19:37)
2. How is this a wormhole, it was bad to dodge taxes in 2012 by conservatives alike. now it’s a good thing


No, it's not, at least not in my eyes. Like I wrote previously in this thread:

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 28 Sep 2020 04:12)
Does this expose Trump as a hypocrite when contrasted with his previous populist statements about "billionaires not paying their fair share"? Absolutely.
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Part of his appeal to formerly Democratic-leaning working-class voters was his populist rhetoric about how "the elites are bending you over, but I will fight for your interests" and "the system is rigged against people like you, and I alone can fix it". This story undermines all of that.


Those tax returns wont convince anyone that Trump engaged in criminal tax evasion, but they do undermine his populist image and messaging. And that's really all there is to say about it.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 28 2020 01:08pm)
No, it's not, at least not in my eyes. Like I wrote previously in this thread:



Those tax returns wont convince anyone that Trump engaged in criminal tax evasion, but they do undermine his populist image and messaging. And that's really all there is to say about it.



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Sep 28 2020 12:15pm
And that will not change the core opinion but all the borderline ones who are paying taxes btw lol.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 28 2020 02:08pm)
No, it's not, at least not in my eyes. Like I wrote previously in this thread:



Those tax returns wont convince anyone that Trump engaged in criminal tax evasion, but they do undermine his populist image and messaging. And that's really all there is to say about it.


Was it populist or what it just white identity politics that looks that way?

His platform has appeal to his base because its so racial as well. Its an appeal to continue white supremacy not sock it to the rich guys.

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Was it populist or what it just white identity politics that looks that way?

His platform has appeal to his base because its so racial as well. Its an appeal to continue white supremacy not sock it to the rich guys.


In which way was his opposition to NAFTA and free trade racial? How was his criticism of detached and arrogant elites who do not understand or respect middle America racial?
His 2016 platform certainly had a strong element of "let's preserve the current status quo of racial hierarchy in the country" (which is not the same thing as white supremacy!!!), but it seems unjustified to me when you, or anyone else, is claiming that these racialized stances made up the entirety of his platform or appeal.

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In which way was his opposition to NAFTA and free trade racial? How was his criticism of detached and arrogant elites who do not understand or respect middle America racial?
His 2016 platform certainly had a strong element of "let's preserve the current status quo of racial hierarchy in the country" (which is not the same thing as white supremacy!!!), but it seems unjustified to me when you, or anyone else, is claiming that these racialized stances made up the entirety of his platform or appeal.

its not, just the usual cycle with the lefties:

taxes
racist
some floozy says she slept with him
he’s incompetent
he’s a criminal mastermind
russia
he will start wwiii
he isnt doing enough military actions


on and on
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 28 2020 03:00pm)
In which way was his opposition to NAFTA and free trade racial? How was his criticism of detached and arrogant elites who do not understand or respect middle America racial?
His 2016 platform certainly had a strong element of "let's preserve the current status quo of racial hierarchy in the country" (which is not the same thing as white supremacy!!!), but it seems unjustified to me when you, or anyone else, is claiming that these racialized stances made up the entirety of his platform or appeal.


More like his opposition to Mexicans lol. Did you forget that part?
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its not, just the usual cycle with the lefties:

taxes
racist
some floozy says she slept with him
he’s incompetent
he’s a criminal mastermind
russia
he will start wwiii
he isnt doing enough military actions


on and on


Funny how some ticks on that list are being proven to be correct as time passes. Crazy how someone would expect others to follow along perfectly in their line of believe.

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More like his opposition to Mexicans lol. Did you forget that part?


I just agreed that racialized appeals to white voters were a significant part of his platform and appeal in 2016. But I vehemently disagree with your notion that racialized stuff made up all of his appeal or platform, while the genuinely economic kind of populism didnt play a role at all.

Simple question: do you think that Trump would have won MI, WI and PA, and thus the presidency, in 2016 based on degrading Mexicans if he had simultaneously run on a Romney-esque economic platform, if he had positioned himself as pro-NAFTA and pro-neoliberal-globalization?

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I just agreed that racialized appeals to white voters were a significant part of his platform and appeal in 2016. But I vehemently disagree with your notion that racialized stuff made up all of his appeal or platform, while the genuinely economic kind of populism didnt play a role at all.

Simple question: do you think that Trump would have won MI, WI and PA, and thus the presidency, in 2016 based on degrading Mexicans if he had simultaneously run on a Romney-esque economic platform, if he had positioned himself as pro-NAFTA and pro-neoliberal-globalization?


Trump isn't positioned anywhere fundamentally and is largely non-ideological. He won because he riled up the dumb whites in those states with "they took our jerbs" rhetoric.

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