Quote (thundercock @ Jul 13 2020 03:18pm)

For slavery? Probably. However, the country as a whole benefited from it and it's our collective sin. The country as a whole let systematic and systemic racism to fester for decades after. None of my ancestors were around for slavery because they were trash whites (Irish and Italian) who came to America in the late 1800s/early 1900s. However, their hurdles were much easier to overcome.

I'm 100% with you on social media not helping.

Quote (Open Letter)

On Tuesday, 153 of the most prominent journalists, authors, and writers, including J. K. Rowling, Malcolm Gladwell, and David Brooks, published an open call for civility in Harper’s Magazine. They write, in the pages of a prominent magazine that’s infamous for being anti-union, not paying its interns, and firing editors over editorial disagreements with the publisher: “The free exchange of information and ideas, the lifeblood of a liberal society, is daily becoming more constricted.”

The signatories, many of them white, wealthy, and endowed with massive platforms, argue that they are afraid of being silenced, that so-called cancel culture is out of control, and that they fear for their jobs and free exchange of ideas, even as they speak from one of the most prestigious magazines in the country.

The letter was spearheaded by Thomas Chatterton Williams, a Black writer who believes “that racism at once persists and is also capable of being transcended—especially at the interpersonal level.” Since the letter was published, some commentators have used Williams’s presence and the presence of other non-white writers to argue that the letter presents a selection of diverse voices. But they miss the point: the irony of the piece is that nowhere in it do the signatories mention how marginalized voices have been silenced for generations in journalism, academia, and publishing.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 13 2020 06:20pm)

An open letter, majority signed by BIPOC people in the field of journalism, writing, and academia, came out today in response to the Harper's letter:



They cover case-by-case examples to refute or at least question the claims in the original Harper's Letter.

Source: https://theobjective.substack.com/p/a-more-specific-letter-on-justice

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 13 2020 03:11pm)

what comparative advantage did my family have tho lol? poor as dutch and irish, homesteads in the free states of Illinois and Iowa. never lived within 1,000 miles of a slave. worked hard on farms and passed down land instead of money.

if your family owned slaves then sure, time to apologize. but collective guilt for whites as a people for slavery is stupid. even of the 30% in the south most weren't plantation owners, shop keepers etc had 1 or so slaves. also wrong, but when we invoke plantation imagery in talks about white racism its theater not history.

why make that distinction you mat ask, because we're talking about reparations and other extreme measures. want reparations? sieze plantation property and wealth, leave my 1 acre in wisconsin alone. leave our 300 acres in illinois alone. go down to south carolina and fuck those people out of their homes with a sharp broom stick for all i care.

on the last note i 100% disagree on the hushing vs open conversation. i think we're just going to prolong it, and most racism fighters seem to agree with their narratives of "having hard talks". the problem is those hard talks lead to questions being called racists, or hard talks become hard talking to's where you're ranted at not listened to. the internet could have been a tool to cure racism, but so far this aint it. we're just digging trenches. and with how shitty world govts are on tracking people anon corners will continue to exist and grow, so racists will continue to have an outlet.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 13 Jul 2020 18:59)

Your family was white in an economy that actively stifled competition from blacks and other minorities. That is an advantage that existed everywhere in the country whether or not they directly benefited from slavery and it is an advantage that exists to this day.

Yes, when you invoke plantation life it looks like slavery was a rich person issue, when in reality it was a good portion of southerners issue, and a collectivist issue where you have confederate soldiers saying in their journals they don't feel white because they lost the war.

I don't really know where to go with the last paragraph lol. I tend to think a world with dissociated incel communities instead of local KKK chapters is better, but who am I to say?

Quote (excellence @ Jul 13 2020 06:24pm)

So was yours but you get state subsidy and groceries from mommy in law in a former confederate state

Quote (Thor123422 @ 13 Jul 2020 19:42)

Missouri wasn't confederate lol

Quote (excellence @ Jul 15 2020 12:11pm)

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/ivanka-trump-tweets-support-goya-061607112.html

supporting minority owned businesses is an ethics violation, according to the media and the privileged lefties

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 13 2020 06:20pm)

An open letter, majority signed by BIPOC people in the field of journalism, writing, and academia, came out today in response to the Harper's letter:



They cover case-by-case examples to refute or at least question the claims in the original Harper's Letter.

Source: https://theobjective.substack.com/p/a-more-specific-letter-on-justice