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May 3 2020 10:03pm
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That seems incredibly vague to me. What are oppressive restrictions? I'm not sure if there is consensus on that...


What I am suggesting is ending the state as we know it. There doesn't have to be a method for appointing people to rule over others because people do not have to rule over others.
People should be free to live their lives how they see fit, provided they aren't aggressing against others and thereby preventing them from being free to do the same.

Throwing people in cages for various victimless 'crimes' the state has outlawed are examples of oppressive restrictions.

Threatening to arrest people if you leave your house and assemble or travel to a different residence, as various governors and mayors have done.
https://reason.com/2020/05/03/chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-jail-lockdown-stay-at-home-covid-19/
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What I am suggesting is ending the state as we know it. There doesn't have to be a method for appointing people to rule over others because people do not have to rule over others.
People should be free to live their lives how they see fit, provided they aren't aggressing against others and thereby preventing them from being free to do the same.

Throwing people in cages for various victimless 'crimes' the state has outlawed are examples of oppressive restrictions.

Threatening to arrest people if you leave your house and assemble or travel to a different residence, as various governors and mayors have done.
https://reason.com/2020/05/03/chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-jail-lockdown-stay-at-home-covid-19/


but what happens when a society that hasn't taken this to heart sees us and uses their military to take our land?
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May 3 2020 10:15pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 4 2020 12:08am)
but what happens when a society that hasn't taken this to heart sees us and uses their military to take our land?


You are presupposing no military forces can exist outside of one run by an authoritarian government.
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You are presupposing no military forces can exist outside of one run by an authoritarian government.


I think it's pretty uncontroversial to say that without some force making sure funding gets collected for it it will never reach the level of a modern military.
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May 3 2020 10:23pm
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I think it's pretty uncontroversial to say that without some force making sure funding gets collected for it it will never reach the level of a modern military.


Making sure funding gets collected and forcing people to pay for something against their will upon threat of imprisonment are two different things.
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May 3 2020 10:27pm
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Making sure funding gets collected and forcing people to pay for something against their will upon threat of imprisonment are two different things.


Good luck making sure funding gets collected without force behind it. Anybody who gives money when they don't have to is at a disadvantage compared to people who just act as free riders, and you can't exclude people or businesses from military protection.

The most fundamental responsibility of government is public goods that aren't excludable, and military protection is the chief example of something that is public good but not excludable.

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Good luck making sure funding gets collected without force behind it. Anybody who gives money when they don't have to is at a disadvantage compared to people who just act as free riders, and you can't exclude people or businesses from military protection.

The most fundamental responsibility of government is public goods that aren't excludable, and military protection is the chief example of something that is public good but not excludable.


Unless there is a penalty i ain't giving up the paper.
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The Private Production of Defense by Hans-Hermann Hoppe

https://mises.org/library/private-production-defense
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The Private Production of Defense by Hans-Hermann Hoppe

https://mises.org/library/private-production-defense


Argue your position yourself or I'm not interested.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ May 4 2020 12:34am)
Argue your position yourself or I'm not interested.


I am doing both.

Someone with enough genuine interest may decide to check out the free book that more thoroughly details the subject.
I do not intend to spend my time writing the equivalent of a better book on the subject for the d2jsp community, nor do I claim the ability to do so.

Quote (Thor123422 @ May 4 2020 12:27am)
Good luck making sure funding gets collected without force behind it. Anybody who gives money when they don't have to is at a disadvantage compared to people who just act as free riders, and you can't exclude people or businesses from military protection.

The most fundamental responsibility of government is public goods that aren't excludable, and military protection is the chief example of something that is public good but not excludable.


None of this precludes the possibility and benefits of private defense.
There are plenty of people that don't pay for the military right now.
The idea that no one would voluntarily fund or volunteer for security forces is an absurdity.

Meanwhile the government is wasting trillions on counterproductive wars of aggression and MIC cronyism.

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