don’t forget the alt right.

And alt left

Insert race, gender, sexuality, etc, here, and it is the same thing at play. You can be a racist because of the Bible, or because of bumps on the skull proving white superiority, it doesn't matter, it is value of ranking human value based on identity, which is about as arbitrary thing as you can do. If people were not arbitrarily ranking humans in terms of value within the social contract already there just wouldn't be this particular conflict. And just because you do not respect someone's gender identity doesn't mean it is arbitrary or made up; maybe you lack, imagination or intelligence to see it. Restricting rights based on personal beliefs like you wish to is arbitrary. The problem with that is that if you lose it will backfire on you. The great thing about rights is they can be given to anyone without them being taken away from someone else.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 30 2019 09:15pm

Wow, Xistenz basically copied and pasted the exact same argument all the conservative christians on the forum made for 10 years about gay marriage

Deus fucking vult

Unironically.

How is it "ranking transgender persons lower" if we refuse to let biological males enter female competitions? How is it ranking human value based on identity when someone questions the rationale behind legally requiring all bars in New York to have transgender toilets, something that incurs big cost, for a very tiny share of affected people? I can understand it when someone comes to a different conclusion on this assessment, but how in the fuck does this have anything to do with ranking humans?



We're not talking about restricting rights, we're talking about refusing to expand rights and privileges for special interest groups. Fundamentally, this is not about denying certain people equal rights, it is about refusing to give these people special treatment.

And no, giving certain rights to certain people does not always come free, it often times necessarily means that the rights of someone else will be restricted.
To come back to the example above, allowing biological males who identify as female to participate in female sports events does infringe on the female competitor's right to a fair competition.

On the level of basic rights, freedom of speech is in a perpetual struggle with the right to be free from discrimination and harassment. Religious freedom is in conflict with equality between men and women. Privacy rights are in conflict with society's security concerns. Affirmative action comes with discrimination of certain groups of people, even if the goal might be noble. And so on and on.

Outside of liberal La La land, various human and civic rights are in constant tension with each other, and expanding one of them very often inevitably means cutting down on another.






See my points above: gay marriage meant granting homosexual couples the same rights that heterosexual couples had. This is fundamentally different from the demands of transgender persons to be given special treatment.

Shit he just keeps doing it

How were calls for gay marriage ever a call to receive special treatment?

You need to do some research lol. It was constantly argued that gay marriage was an attempt to get special treatment by giving them basic equal rights. Now trans people are trying to get their own basic rights and idiots like some and the gullible like you are recycling the same shitty arguments.