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Mar 9 2018 03:43pm
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Mar 9 2018 04:06pm
Quote (Ghot @ Mar 9 2018 10:16pm)
I don't think some folks want to admit that the "doom" the are foretelling is pretty much hogwash.

I can't see why anyone would lose jobs because of this, and I can easily see that it will create 100's of thousands of jobs, hell maybe even millions.
People say they don't like how much welfare costs the US. That's a good point. I bet all those out of work coal miner families would just love it if we needed to reopen all the coal mines. Same with the huge amount of trucking and other forms of shipping inside the US that would benefit from this. The coke producing factories as well.
Plus all the other types of ores that are required by a flourishing steel industry.

And the most important of all is that we would be buying American product, in America once again.
When the middle east, let's say, wants to buy 100 Boeing 747's, they will also be buying US steel and US aluminum. Which would be much better for the US than us selling 100 747's made out of foreign steel and aluminum.

These tariffs are not the end result, they are just one of the directions the US needs to go, to get back to where we used to be.
Computer parts are another example, we used to make them here, then we gave away that industry as well.

Sure we gained less factories, cleaner air etc. But with our shipping infrastructure as awesome as it is today, we can now put factories away from major city centers. We have much better anti-pollution technologies than we used to have 50 years ago. We have learned lessons on how to manufacture things without destroying the land. :wallbash:

I think one of the main reasons, the govt. decided to allow exemptions is to keep a tight handle on the price of things like steel and aluminum, while bringing back tons of industries, and employing tons of people.

To me, this looks like a win-win-win situation.


Looks to me like, you don't really know.
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Mar 9 2018 04:22pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 9 2018 10:20pm)
the price of steel rising.


Putting no tariffs at all provides the cheapest steel.. Is it okey for China to overproduce and subsidizes the steel industry, for a lower price in our countries ?
Should we globally make use of it ?

Quote (Ghot @ Mar 9 2018 11:24pm)
Looks to me like you typed a ton of S's. LOL

tried to find something that was based on anything.. escalated fast

This post was edited by Knoppie on Mar 9 2018 04:42pm
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Mar 9 2018 04:24pm
Quote (Knoppie @ Mar 9 2018 05:06pm)
Looks to me like, you don't really know.





Looks to me like you typed a ton of S's. LOL


/e

Quote (Knoppie @ Mar 9 2018 05:22pm)
Putting no tariffs at all provides the cheapest steel.. Is it okey for China to overproduce and subsidies the steel industry, for a lower price in our countries ?
Should we globally make use of it ?


No tariff's on at least China...means the folks importing steel are giving China tons of money to do with as it wants.

Let's think about what China wants...

They're building aircraft carrier(s), they are attempting to BUY bases (in effect) in North Africa.
They are trying to subsume Taiwan, they are (against International Maritime Law) trying to take over the entire South China Sea.

Just possibly it might not be such a good idea, to give China so much money.


Almost forgot, they now have an emperor again. :/


/ee That's 1.38 billion people doing what one man wants. No argument.



/eee Btw, the stock markets are all up. (DOW, S&P500, Nasdaq, and Global Dow)



This post was edited by Ghot on Mar 9 2018 04:52pm
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Mar 9 2018 06:31pm
Quote (Knoppie @ Mar 9 2018 04:22pm)
Putting no tariffs at all provides the cheapest steel.. Is it okey for China to overproduce and subsidizes the steel industry, for a lower price in our countries ?
Should we globally make use of it ?


tried to find something that was based on anything.. escalated fast


China makes cheap steel. Their tool and higher grade steel is shit. Part of the reason we don't make as much steel is we got more specific with higher quality. Many items don't need high grade steel. I say let China export its shit steel its mutually beneficial. Higher costs aren't
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Mar 10 2018 02:47am
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 9 2018 07:31pm)
China makes cheap steel. Their tool and higher grade steel is shit. Part of the reason we don't make as much steel is we got more specific with higher quality. Many items don't need high grade steel. I say let China export its shit steel its mutually beneficial. Higher costs aren't




It's only mutually beneficial if you consider ALL aspects of this situation.
Like the unholy trade deficit.
The fact that we are providing China with a serious amount of money, that they seem to be using to build their military, impose on other countries, subsume control of ALL the China Seas, and just lately, buy the ability to construct military bases in northern Africa.

When you consider all this...it's not so "mutually beneficial" anymore.
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#197
Mar 10 2018 05:40am
So much backpeddling on these tariffs that every country is lining up to apply for exemptions after the Trump administration initially said they were to be no exemptions.
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#198
Mar 10 2018 05:42am
Quote (dro94 @ Mar 10 2018 03:40am)
So much backpeddling on these tariffs that every country is lining up to apply for exemptions after the Trump administration initially said they were to be no exemptions.


maybe it was a negotiating strategy to get better deals for america :think:
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Mar 10 2018 05:49am
Quote (majorblood @ Mar 10 2018 12:42pm)
maybe it was a negotiating strategy to get better deals for america :think:


If that were the case you'd expect the Trump administration to take its original hardline stance for longer than a week in order to be taken seriously. They've undermined themselves and look like fools.
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Mar 10 2018 06:18am
Quote (dro94 @ Mar 10 2018 06:49am)
If that were the case you'd expect the Trump administration to take its original hardline stance for longer than a week in order to be taken seriously. They've undermined themselves and look like fools.




He's sorta done both. He exempted Canada and Mexico. Then he made the others...have to apply for exemption. That will probably take months.
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