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#191
Oct 26 2016 03:35pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Oct 26 2016 04:35pm)
But the air is moving in the Helio model, we just proved it is moving relative to the direction of the planet - so which is it - the air is moving or its not - i cant be doing both depending on the reality you wish.


look at the picture. it is moving in the same direction as the earth, but at a slower rate, thus RELATIVE to the earth, you are moving. Hence you travel along the globe.
only a small amount of the air's motion must be overcome.


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Oct 26 2016 03:36pm
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Good, you understand that the air is moving in the exact relative direction as the earth, now keep that in mind and try to explain why an airplane traveling in the opposite direction to all this air moving against it doesn't need to account for this force - remember you just admitted that the planet, the air and a hot air balloon are all moving at the relative direction to the exact speed and direction of the earth so that we dont notice it moving at all. See your thinking that the air doesn't move, which of course it doesn't, but in the helio world is all moving like really fast and you just dont notice it.


A person on an airplane needs to pee and gets up from his seat and starts walking towards the rear of the airplane at 5 mph. The airplane is flying forward at 500 mph. Explain why the person moving in the opposite direction doesn't need to account for the speed of the airplane. Would this person have to run at speeds faster than 500 mph to ever reach the bathroom? Remember that the airplane and the person walking inside of it are moving in opposite directions.
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Oct 26 2016 03:36pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Oct 26 2016 05:32pm)
Since you didn't refute anything - I know your trolling and trying to project your intentions onto me.


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#194
Oct 26 2016 03:43pm
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nice trolling rebuttal.
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#195
Oct 26 2016 03:45pm
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nice trolling rebuttal.


Which flights can't be explined on a round earth?
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Oct 26 2016 03:45pm
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A person on an airplane needs to pee and gets up from his seat and starts walking towards the rear of the airplane at 5 mph. The airplane is flying forward at 500 mph. Explain why the person moving in the opposite direction doesn't need to account for the speed of the airplane. Would this person have to run at speeds faster than 500 mph to ever reach the bathroom? Remember that the airplane and the person walking inside of it are moving in opposite directions.


A person can travel inside a moving plane because it is a closed environment - try walking on the outside of the plane and tell me how great your theory is.
The earth is not a closed environment in the helio model.
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#197
Oct 26 2016 03:46pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Oct 26 2016 04:43pm)
nice trolling rebuttal.


Please address the picture, specifically the fact that I have repeatedly told you that you do not need to overcome the force of the air, but only a small amount of it to generate RELATIVE velocity to the earth.
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#198
Oct 26 2016 03:47pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Oct 26 2016 04:45pm)
A person can travel inside a moving plane because it is a closed environment - try walking on the outside of the plane and tell me how great your theory is.
The earth is not a closed environment in the helio model.


The plane is moving with the air in your example
just as the person is moving with the plane in his
closed/open systems have nothing to do with it (do you know what these are?)

the important concept here is relative velocity, which I have failed to see you address once.
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#199
Oct 26 2016 03:51pm
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Which flights can't be explined on a round earth?


the ones that dont need to explain resisting the force of air moving against it because the air would be relative to the direction of the planet - not to the plane , and the earth is not a closed environment -
also commercial flight pilots that think need to connect to satellites and make automatic constant course corrections for the curve of the earth - when any pilot flying a small plane that is fully manual will tell you he never needs to correct for the curve of the earth - heliocentricity 101.

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#200
Oct 26 2016 03:54pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Oct 26 2016 02:45pm)
A person can travel inside a moving plane because it is a closed environment - try walking on the outside of the plane and tell me how great your theory is.
The earth is not a closed environment in the helio model.


What does a closed environment have to do with speeds? So if the pilot opens a window and makes it an open environment, the passengers would have to run at 500 mph to make it from their seat to the washroom?
I've been on trains with open windows. The train was travelling at a good 50 mph or so, but I had no trouble walking back and forth inside of it. Not a closed environment, but magically still worked.
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