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Jul 25 2016 12:10am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 25 2016 07:01am)
It hurts their credibility, but it's a decision they had to make and made.

It was exposed and became unpopular given the support Sanders accumulated, so they made Schultz take the fall, not least because she's an unpleasant woman whom Sanders has had it out for.


But Schultz has fallen on her sword in vain. Plenty more will suffer the wrath of Tengri before this is over.

This is but the beginning of a great purge among the Democrats. However the knucklebones fall there will be carnage of one kind or another as their dishonour continues to be understood and made public.
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Jul 25 2016 12:12am
Quote (Beowulf @ 25 Jul 2016 00:57)
uh damage control because there are a shit ton of internet people that spend their lives trying to get people fired get them to step down or shit on their way of life in general

you're part of a mob that cyber head hunts whether you realize or not

this time it just happens to be political


It is indeed damage control because the DNC broke their rules of impartiality and someone had to take the fall for it.

The DNC should remain impartial toward candidates during the DNC nomination process. There shouldn't be internal talks about how to prop up one candidate or hurt another candidate.

The reason I was asking you if the DNC should have rules of neutrality is because we can either agree that they should remain impartial or we could establish that we just have a philosophical disagreement about whether the DNC should be able to openly support/openly undermine another candidate if they chose to do so in future elections.

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It hurts their credibility, but it's a decision they had to make and made.

It was exposed and became unpopular given the support Sanders accumulated, so they made Schultz take the fall, not least because she's an unpleasant woman whom Sanders has had it out for.


I'm not disagreeing with anything you said here. But make no mistake, DWS and DNC leadership broke the rules of neutrality and impartiality. You were saying earlier that there is no such rule to follow, and that's simply not true.

This scandal is a big deal because it exposed the wrongdoings of the DNC during the DNC nomination process. This is a horrible look for the Democratic party right on the eve of the DNC Convention. There is no doubt in my mind that this leak was held until the very right and opportunistic moment because they knew it would expose the corruption of the party at one of the most important and biggest times for the Democratic party.
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Jul 25 2016 12:14am
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It is indeed damage control because the DNC broke their rules of impartiality and someone had to take the fall for it.

The DNC should remain impartial toward candidates during the DNC nomination process. There shouldn't be internal talks about how to prop up one candidate or hurt another candidate.

The reason I was asking you if the DNC should have rules of neutrality is because we can either agree that they should remain impartial or we could establish that we just have a philosophical disagreement about whether the DNC should be able to openly support/openly undermine another candidate if they chose to do so in future elections.



I'm not disagreeing with anything you said here. But make no mistake, DWS and DNC leadership broke the rules of neutrality and impartiality. You were saying earlier that there is no such rule to follow, and that's simply not true.

This scandal is a big deal because it exposed the wrongdoings of the DNC during the DNC nomination process. This is a horrible look for the Democratic party right on the eve of the DNC Convention. There is no doubt in my mind that this leak was held until the very right and opportunistic moment because they knew it would expose the corruption of the party at one of the most important and biggest times for the Democratic party.

Why do you care so much? I could understand if there was another candidate like Biden, Kaine, or someone along those lines who actually had a shot at winning an election.
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Jul 25 2016 12:19am
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 25 2016 01:12am)
I'm not disagreeing with anything you said here. But make no mistake, DWS and DNC leadership broke the rules of neutrality and impartiality. You were saying earlier that there is no such rule to follow, and that's simply not true.

This scandal is a big deal because it exposed the wrongdoings of the DNC during the DNC nomination process. This is a horrible look for the Democratic party right on the eve of the DNC Convention. There is no doubt in my mind that this leak was held until the very right and opportunistic moment because they knew it would expose the corruption of the party at one of the most important and biggest times for the Democratic party.


Rules which aren't enforced aren't rules, they're advisory. The sovereignty rests with the party, clearly if sacking a minion is enough to satisfy their followers.
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Jul 25 2016 12:20am
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 24 2016 10:12pm)
It is indeed damage control because the DNC broke their rules of impartiality and someone had to take the fall for it.

The DNC should remain impartial toward candidates during the DNC nomination process. There shouldn't be internal talks about how to prop up one candidate or hurt another candidate.

The reason I was asking you if the DNC should have rules of neutrality is because we can either agree that they should remain impartial or we could establish that we just have a philosophical disagreement about whether the DNC should be able to openly support/openly undermine another candidate if they chose to do so in future elections.



I'm not disagreeing with anything you said here. But make no mistake, DWS and DNC leadership broke the rules of neutrality and impartiality. You were saying earlier that there is no such rule to follow, and that's simply not true.

This scandal is a big deal because it exposed the wrongdoings of the DNC during the DNC nomination process. This is a horrible look for the Democratic party right on the eve of the DNC Convention. There is no doubt in my mind that this leak was held until the very right and opportunistic moment because they knew it would expose the corruption of the party at one of the most important and biggest times for the Democratic party.


If I have to choose between the illusion of neutrality and the prevention of Trump like candidates by at least one of the parties you already know which I'd choose
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Jul 25 2016 12:21am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 25 2016 07:19am)
Rules which aren't enforced aren't rules, they're advisory. The sovereignty rests with the party, clearly if sacking a minion is enough to satisfy their followers.


It won't be. Their despicable tactics are being exposed to the light. Schultz is the first of many.
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Jul 25 2016 12:22am
Quote (ThatAlex @ 24 Jul 2016 20:52)
It's really funny how you don't want to answer a simple question. (Do you think the DNC should keep or abolish their rules of neutrality?)

It feels exactly like last week when we were talking to Trump supporters: "Do you think Melania Trump's speech was plagiarized?"

"It doesn't matter! Everyone plagiarizes! A speech is never going to be completely unique from other speeches!"

Just give a straight answer to the question and face reality. Can't even admit simple facts to yourself - that the DNC broke important rules and should maintain a standard of neutrality. Stop jumping through so many mental hoops and just be real for a second. The DNC chair isn't resigning right before the DNC Convention because everything is fine and dandy.

The system is corrupt and people like you can't even realize that or admit it to yourself when we have definitive proof of said corruption. You refuse to give an answer to a very simple question because it would be an admission of the fact that the DNC broke the rules of neutrality and should maintain neutrality moving forward.


I'd be pretty happy if they were abolished tbh.
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Jul 25 2016 12:43am
Quote (thundercock @ 25 Jul 2016 01:14)
Why do you care so much? I could understand if there was another candidate like Biden, Kaine, or someone along those lines who actually had a shot at winning an election.


I care because I think it's important for the people of this nation to look over our leadership, government, and political parties with watchful eyes. And this is corruption in plain sight.

I'm happy that the candidate who received the most votes won the nomination. I think it is very important to respect the will of the people. In this particular case, I do not think the wrongdoing on behalf of the DNC changed the end result of the election.

However, I'd like to think that we, as a collective people, aren't foolish enough to believe that just because the end result might not have changed doesn't mean that there is nothing wrong here. You and others keep speaking about the results/participants of the nomination, but I care more about the democratic process.

Who is to say that the DNC won't tamper with future elections? Perhaps in an election with two Democratic establishment candidates instead of an independent? And perhaps in a scenario where the candidate they prop up isn't also the one most people support?

These are important scenarios to consider for the future.

Lastly, I care so much because this is a fucking shit show. The DNC Chair resigning on the eve of the DNC Convention is a terrible look for the Democratic Party. We look incompetent and corrupt as fuck right now, and we better start holding members of the DNC more accountable to follow their own rules and processes unless we want another high-profile fuck up in the future.

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If I have to choose between the illusion of neutrality and the prevention of Trump like candidates by at least one of the parties you already know which I'd choose


Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ 25 Jul 2016 01:22)
I'd be pretty happy if they were abolished tbh.


Fair enough. I don't even disagree with yall. What's the point of having a rule of impartiality if the DNC doesn't even pretend don't follow it?

The DNC should abolish any rules regarding impartiality. In 2024, maybe the party will openly endorse one of the Democratic candidates for president while openly undermining the others. That way, At least the DNC would be more honest and transparent about their nomination process and wouldn't be breaking any of their own rules regarding neutrality.
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Jul 25 2016 01:32am
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