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Feb 10 2015 09:52pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 10 2015 11:11pm)
It's interesting, but currently we have no reason to suspect it's true. It's been known for a very long time that bacteria can undergo horizontal gene transfer and the mechanism is fairly well understood, as far as these things go, but there's no reason to assume it can happen between people.


I doubt it too.

Though similarly, chemicals can effect gene expression which can then travel vertically through generations for sure, but nothing statistically relevant or replicable for one-time vaccines.
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Feb 10 2015 10:01pm
My God...why are libertarians so fucking shitty at making analogies. So painful to read...
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I doubt it too.

Though similarly, chemicals can effect gene expression which can then travel vertically through generations for sure, but nothing statistically relevant or replicable for one-time vaccines.


Yeah, although retroviruses can be passed down if they infect a sperm or egg cell.
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Feb 11 2015 01:32am
Libertarianism should start and end with social issues, not economic or health issues.
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Quote (Interesting @ Feb 11 2015 01:32am)
Libertarianism should start and end with social issues, not economic or health issues.


Derp.
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Quote (thundercock @ 10 Feb 2015 23:01)
My God...why are libertarians so fucking shitty at making analogies. So painful to read...


Quote (Interesting @ 11 Feb 2015 02:32)
Libertarianism should start and end with social issues, not economic or health issues.



You'd rather they just toe the line and not question the validity of this issue? Even though I may disagree with their overall thoughts on their civic responsibility on this question. I'm thankful that there are people who question the orders put out by the government. Without dissonance in our acceptance of the decrees put out by the government we become compliant. And with compliance comes the loss of our liberty. Though I happen to agree with the law on this issue, there are many that I don't agree with and I'll yell and fight about them the same way. As should everyone on the issues that affect them. Rather than personal attacks and name calling. We need to be thankful for everyone who questions authority, and reminds us that we aren't lemmings racing blindly towards the cliff.
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Feb 11 2015 09:42am
Quote (Scaly @ Feb 10 2015 04:35pm)
You don't have the choice to be irresponsible with a child's life. Simple. There's a reason child welfare agencies exist. Your child is not your property.


sure you do, its just a spectrum thing.

Letting your kid ride around a dirt bike at age 6 and people will call the kid a prodigy if he can ride and you a terrible parent if he gets hurt.

I was unaware however that unvaccinated kids are a danger to vaccinated kids so i redact my statement on that basis. However if its a disease where your lack of vaccination serves to only risk danger you you then you should be allowed not to get the vaccine.

I stated that i think 100% of parents should get their children vaccinated, but that doesnt mean it makes for good legislation. 100% of people should quit smoking but that doesnt mean im in favor of a smoking ban OR federal funding to help people quit smoking. If its help to quit heroin i get it but no need for public assistance in minorly damaging instances, vaccines included. Thats what societal peer pressure is for.
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sure you do, its just a spectrum thing.

Letting your kid ride around a dirt bike at age 6 and people will call the kid a prodigy if he can ride and you a terrible parent if he gets hurt.

I was unaware however that unvaccinated kids are a danger to vaccinated kids so i redact my statement on that basis. However if its a disease where your lack of vaccination serves to only risk danger you you then you should be allowed not to get the vaccine.

I stated that i think 100% of parents should get their children vaccinated, but that doesnt mean it makes for good legislation. 100% of people should quit smoking but that doesnt mean im in favor of a smoking ban OR federal funding to help people quit smoking. If its help to quit heroin i get it but no need for public assistance in minorly damaging instances, vaccines included. Thats what societal peer pressure is for.


The thing that does bother me is it's not the parent who will be in peril it's the child's life that they are making their "point for liberty for."

The thing is if the kids are going to attend public school they have to produce a record of proper utd. vaccinations


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Feb 11 2015 10:05am
Quote (duffman316 @ 9 Feb 2015 18:10)
It seems the liberal media is pushing forth the idea that forced vaccinations are good for you

do you believe the state should be allowed to make it mandatory for your children to have vaccinations if they are to attend school or is that a violation of your freedoms as parents?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XGDwkS9yYc


If they tried and true vacs like the mumps, smallpox, etc. Yes I do.
If they are for the flu, no I don't.
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Feb 11 2015 10:40am


Good video on why getting a flu shot helps even if the shot isn't very effective. Jist is that raising immunity of most people helps the flu burn out by giving it fewer chances to propagate. Since the flu, on average, gets spread to 1.2 people per person infected, even a 28% effective vaccine can be the difference between exponential infection and burn-out.
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