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Jul 1 2014 03:54pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jul 1 2014 04:34pm)
...allow me to burst your bubble and hopefully deepen your understanding...we Christians are the Body of Christ not the Kingdom . They are NOT the same thing .



The Kingdom is God's dominion on this Earth and/or Heaven. The Body of Christ ushers in the Kingdom.

(Matthew 11:11-12)
I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. {12}From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.

The kingdom is actively advancing since John the Baptist...God's dominion is advancing through the work of Jesus.

(Matthew 12:28)
But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

The Kingdom exists then because God's dominion over demons.

(Matthew 13:31) He told them another parable:"The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field.

This seed then grew very big. Once again talking about the growth of the Kingdom.

(Luke 17:20-21) Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, {21} nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."

Once again, He is not talking about heaven but God's dominion through us.

Now there is 10:1 verses that state the Kingdom of God in the New Testament referring to heaven compared to God's dominon on Earth. But I want to point out that the verses above speak of the Kingdom coming to earth. Maybe this is the hope of Jesus's Prayer " Your Kingdom come, your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven"

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Jul 1 2014 04:00pm
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The Kingdom is God's dominion on this Earth and/or Heaven. The Body of Christ ushers in the Kingdom.

(Matthew 11:11-12)
I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. {12}From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.

The kingdom is actively advancing since John the Baptist...God's dominion is advancing through the work of Jesus.

(Matthew 12:28)
But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

The Kingdom exists then because God's dominion over demons.

(Matthew 13:31) He told them another parable:"The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field.

This seed then grew very big. Once again talking about the growth of the Kingdom.

(Luke 17:20-21) Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, {21} nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."

Once again, He is not talking about heaven but God's dominion through us.

Now there is 10:1 verses that state the Kingdom of God in the New Testament referring to heaven compared to God's dominon on Earth. But I want to point out that the verses above speak of the Kingdom coming to earth. Maybe this is the hope of Jesus's Prayer " Your Kingdom come, your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven"


...the Kingdom will be on Earth and it is a promise to Israel that will be fulfilled . I do not argue with Scripture or try to use it as a battering ram .You already think you know what it is saying and I will only disagree as you will with mine .

I am stating my beliefs in the hopes of planting a seed .
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Jul 1 2014 04:02pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jul 1 2014 05:00pm)
...the Kingdom will be on Earth and it is a promise to Israel that will be fulfilled . I do not argue with Scripture or try to use it as a battering ram .You already think you know what it is saying and I will only disagree as you will with mine .

I am stating my beliefs in the hopes of planting a seed .


What scriptures would you like to present to back it up? Did Jesus not fulfill the promises to Israel? If I am wrong I would like to know what you are talking about so I can be corrected.
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Jul 1 2014 04:08pm
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What scriptures would you like to present to back it up? Did Jesus not fulfill the promises to Israel? If I am wrong I would like to know what you are talking about so I can be corrected.


...he fulfilled the promise of a Messiah but there are still promises to be fulfilled in the future . As a start look to what Jesus promised to the 12 Apostles in the coming Kingdom , that they would each rule over a tribe of Israel under Him as King .
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Jul 1 2014 04:10pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jul 1 2014 05:08pm)
...he fulfilled the promise of a Messiah but there are still promises to be fulfilled in the future . As a start  look to what Jesus promised to the 12 Apostles in the coming Kingdom , that they would each rule over a tribe of Israel under Him as King .


um..where is that in the Bible? What about Paul who saw Jesus and therefore is also a Disciple?
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Jul 1 2014 04:12pm
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um..where is that in the Bible? What about Paul who saw Jesus and therefore is also a Disciple?


...Paul is not one of the 12 Apostles , he did not meet the requirements .
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Jul 1 2014 04:14pm
Where in the Bible does it say the 12 Apostles will rule over each tribe? I want to point out that Paul is called an apostle and so is Barnabas.
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Jul 1 2014 04:14pm
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Jul 1 2014 04:16pm
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Not sure if dodge or...


lol Queso I didn't message you to cause more drama =p
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Jul 1 2014 04:18pm
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Where in the Bible does it say the 12 Apostles will rule over each tribe? I want to point out that Paul is called an apostle and so is Barnabas.


...there are only 12 Apostles . I can't believe you haven't found Jesus promise to them yet .
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