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May 26 2013 07:18pm
Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 26 2013 07:08pm)
Except thats not the case, most promonant geologists are not supporting climate change for a start.
Agreeing with the premise does not mean supporting the alarmism.


First, that's an irrelevant point. Even if only one geologist supports anthro climate change (ACC from here on out) my argument still stands.

Second, I said all supporting scientists, not just all geologists and climatologists.

Third, we don't care too much what the prevailing opinion is of geologists because they don't specialize in climate change. They're fake experts. Climate change is outside of their area of expertise.

Fourth, even ignoring all this (which you will), it still stands that your argument is still nothing but a moot point that goes both ways and gets you no where right from the outset.
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May 26 2013 07:22pm
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Except thats not the case, most promonant geologists are not supporting climate change for a start.
Agreeing with the premise does not mean supporting the alarmism.


bob carter being one of them
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Quality thread up in this house, isn't it?
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May 26 2013 07:32pm
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bob carter being one of them


Quote (low-ki @ May 26 2013 07:23pm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpfMM3bVbhQ


Ok lol:

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Bob Carter (Robert M. Carter) is a retired Australian marine geologist and a paid AGW denier. He is also an adjunct (unpaid[1]) Research Fellow at the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University" in Australia,[2] and on the academic advisory council of the denialist front group, the Global Warming Policy Foundation.[3] Carter is on the payroll of the Heartland Institute, which itself is funded by polluting industries (Exxon, Scaife Foundations and Koch Family Foundations, etc).[4]

According to the Sydney Morning Herald in 2007, Carter was "on the research committee at the Institute of Public Affairs, a think tank that has received funding from oil and tobacco companies, and whose directors sit on the boards of companies in the fossil fuel sector" and believed, SMH said, that "the role of peer review in scientific literature was overstressed."[5]

Carter is Chief Science Advisor to the International Climate Science Coalition[2], funded in part by the Heartland Institute[6], which is funded by the industries involved in producing greenhouse gases. Carter is also an advisor on a number of other right wing and denialist "think-tanks" and groups the Institute for Public Affairs (Aus), The Galileo Movement (Aus), the Science and Public Policy Institute (US), the International Climate Science Coalition (US/Canada), the Australian Climate Science Coalition, the Global Warming Policy Foundation (UK) and Repeal the Act (UK).[7] He was a founding advisor to the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition. Carter is a founding member of the Australian Environment Foundation, a front group set up by the Institute of Public Affairs.

Carter's own website (see image below) claimed, as recently as 2012, that he received no funding from "special interest organisations", but this was shown to be untrue with the release of private Heartland Institute documents in February 2012, which showed Carter was funded by this one front group alone to the tune of approximately $20,000 annually. Carter brushed off the revelation with the statement that being truthful about one's funding is "a very quaint and old fashioned practice".[7]


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Bob_Carter

1) fake expert
2) paid to deny climate change
3) liar


cya'd
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May 26 2013 07:39pm
Quote (Wakeskater77 @ May 27 2013 01:32am)
Ok lol:



http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/BobCarter

1) fake expert
2) paid to deny climate change
3) liar


cya'd


and i guess the greenland ice core data is all made up as well
he gets paid alot less than all the guys sucking up all that grant money

This post was edited by low-ki on May 26 2013 07:40pm
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Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 25 2013 07:47am)
Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change
Is not a creditable scientist on climate change?
I am not saying that climate change isn't happening, i am saying its not the huge deal it is made out to be, and many scientists agree.
The study that claims 97% of scientists agree with climate change is fundamentally flawed and has been debunked to shit, but its literally all you people have to cling to.


Well no, he's not:

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Craig Idso's degrees:[3]

    B.S. in Geography from Arizona State University
    M.S. in Agronomy from the University of Nebraska - Lincoln
    Ph.D. in Geography from Arizona State University

Craig D. Idso is Chairman, founder and former President of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, a contrarian Arizona-based group funded in part by ExxonMobil. He is the son of its president, Sherwood B. Idso[1], and the brother of its vice president, Keith E. Idso.[2]

Fossil fuel industry employment:

Idso was "Director of Environmental Science at Peabody Energy in St. Louis, Missouri".[3]


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Craig_Idso

1) fake expert
2) paid to deny climate change

I think it's beyond ironic that you're the one who made the vested interests argument, when the sources you cite have very clear interests in denying climate change.

If you're going to keep going here, you might want to stock up on the vaseline.

This post was edited by Wakeskater77 on May 26 2013 07:41pm
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Quote (Wakeskater77 @ May 27 2013 11:41am)
More fun:



Well no, he's not:



http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Craig_Idso

1) fake expert
2) paid to deny climate change

I think it's beyond ironic that you're the one who made the vested interests argument, when the sources you cite have very clear interests in denying climate change.

If you're going to keep going here, you might want to stock up on the vaseline.

Derp funded by people who disagree with me so fake expert derp.
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May 26 2013 08:06pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6735846/Climategate-professor-Phil-Jones-awarded-13-million-in-research-grants.html

can't trust these guys
their life depends on these grants and they will do everything to keep them rolling in
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May 26 2013 08:24pm
Sourcewatch is a bad source.
http://www.undueinfluence.com/sourcewatch.htm

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