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Dec 16 2024 01:47pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 16 2024 08:00am)
This is the type of stuff that torches western credibility when it comes to rules based order. If the Druze of Golan and adjacent areas are allowed to be annexed because the people living there wish it, why is the Donbass or Crimea different?

It's the reason why we the US have fading global credibility tbh. These type of equivalents make it really apparent that ruled based order is synonymous with western unilateral decision making. In reality, it's about weakening a geopolitical enemy, always has been. Problem is when the Arabs, Africans and South Americans, Indians see these type of double standards, it's hard for them to go along under some pretense of fairness.


Meanwhile we're all sitting here in Canada like:

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Dec 16 2024 01:50pm
Quote (El1te @ Dec 16 2024 07:47pm)
Meanwhile we're all sitting here in Canada like:

https://i.imgur.com/veT53n6.png


I've been curious how Canadians reacted to that joke by trump.

From what I understand y'alls major cities run the country and are mostly left wing.

While the entire rest of the country is right wing.
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Quote (Mondain @ Dec 16 2024 11:50am)
I've been curious how Canadians reacted to that joke by trump.

From what I understand y'alls major cities run the country and are mostly left wing.

While the entire rest of the country is right wing.


All red blooded Canadians have been praying for annexation for years.

That is absolutely correct. Canada is a centrally-planned dictatorship. To get into political office in Canada, you have to be bilingual French (part of this degenerate old aristocracy, Plebeians aren't allowed to hold office, only Patricians). The area of Ottawa-Montreal-Toronto dominates the entire country, we are largely all completely disenfranchised. On the West coast, we have no representation, laws are dictated by the Victoria-Vancouver degenerate city complex. And those idiots are ultra far left.

The trucker convoy made this very clear. We want this degenerate corrupt despotic system of government to end.

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All red blooded Canadians have been praying for annexation for years.

That is absolutely correct. Canada is a centrally-planned dictatorship. To get into political office in Canada, you have to be bilingual French (part of this degenerate old aristocracy, Plebeians aren't allowed to hold office, only Patricians). The area of Ottawa-Montreal-Toronto dominates the entire country, we are largely all completely disenfranchised. On the West coast, we have no representation, laws are dictated by the Victoria-Vancouver degenerate city complex. And those idiots are ultra far left.

The trucker convoy made this very clear. We want this degenerate corrupt despotic system of government to end.


I lived in Canada BC near kamloops then on the border of alberta.
That's when I exited the oil and gas business because I was home sick.

The family I have in Canada has expressed exactly what you told me.
The west coast, farm land, gas/oil land, etc are entirely unrepresented in the Canadian government.

Praying for y'all brotha, people can only take so much.
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Dec 17 2024 06:50am
Israel has now opened up another spearhead in the south!

Israeli troops have been operating in several Syrian villages beyond the buffer zone in southern Syria
army soldiers entered the village of Ma'ariya, located a few hundred meters east of the buffer zone in the southern Golan
Israeli army tanks entered the town of Saidah, also located on the edge of the buffer zone.

The Israeli forces now control the Yarmouk River and the Al-Wahda Dam in southern Syria.
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2024/17-december-10-israeli-troops-have-been-operating-in-several

Damascus in the north, and protecting the druze in the south.

Problem->Reaction->Solution
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Israel has now opened up another spearhead in the south!

Israeli troops have been operating in several Syrian villages beyond the buffer zone in southern Syria
army soldiers entered the village of Ma'ariya, located a few hundred meters east of the buffer zone in the southern Golan
Israeli army tanks entered the town of Saidah, also located on the edge of the buffer zone.

The Israeli forces now control the Yarmouk River and the Al-Wahda Dam in southern Syria.
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2024/17-december-10-israeli-troops-have-been-operating-in-several

Damascus in the north, and protecting the druze in the south.

Problem->Reaction->Solution



You rarely get opportunities to expand your country, most of the time you have to pay a huge cost in blood and money, look at the Ukraine war as an example.

Personally I think this is smart by Israel. You take advantage of the chaos and secure a sizable land chunk. Who knows for what reason, at this point IMO it’s not about defending Israel, because you can easily do that from the heights of Golan.

. I still think long term this could be a resettlement place for Palestinians. I think Israel eventually would want all of the West Bank/Gaza to be folded under the country but you need to move all those people somewhere.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 17 2024 08:16am)
You rarely get opportunities to expand your country, most of the time you have to pay a huge cost in blood and money, look at the Ukraine war as an example.

Personally I think this is smart by Israel. You take advantage of the chaos and secure a sizable land chunk. Who knows for what reason, at this point IMO it’s not about defending Israel, because you can easily do that from the heights of Golan.

. I still think long term this could be a resettlement place for Palestinians. I think Israel eventually would want all of the West Bank/Gaza to be folded under the country but you need to move all those people somewhere.


I agree. Israel is moving virtually unopposed in syria atm, and theyve pretty much destroyed anything the rebels would be able to use against them, so the rebels are rolling with tacomas and AKs for the foreseeable future.

Resettling the Palestinians in syria definitely seems plausible at this point.
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Dec 17 2024 12:02pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 16 Dec 2024 17:00)
This is the type of stuff that torches western credibility when it comes to rules based order. If the Druze of Golan and adjacent areas are allowed to be annexed because the people living there wish it, why is the Donbass or Crimea different?

It's the reason why we the US have fading global credibility tbh. These type of equivalents make it really apparent that ruled based order is synonymous with western unilateral decision making. In reality, it's about weakening a geopolitical enemy, always has been. Problem is when the Arabs, Africans and South Americans, Indians see these type of double standards, it's hard for them to go along under some pretense of fairness.


With Crimea, the situation was fairly clear and the West only put up some symbolic resistance against Russia annexing it. In the Donbass, the situation was less clear and actual fighting broke out, with Russian soldiers involved.

Also note that there are a few key differences between the two cases. For instance, Syria has been a dictatorship for decades, the country has no democratically legitimized parliament or institutions. Even post-Maidan, Ukraine still had a lawfully elected parliament in which even the MPs from Yanukovych's own party voted in favor of a resolution declaring him to have abdicated. It also had local governments and courts which had legitimization, none of that exists in Syria.

Furthermore, the bulk of the pro-Western movement in Ukraine were fairly normal folks, rather than bloodthirsty maniacs. In Syria, the dominant faction is a literal Al Qaeda offshoot, so there is damn good reason to suspect a fairly high share of violent, intolerant maniacs among them.

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Dec 17 2024 12:09pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 17 2024 07:02pm)
With Crimea, the situation was fairly clear and the West only put up some symbolic resistance against Russia annexing it. In the Donbass, the situation was less clear and actual fighting broke out, with Russian soldiers involved.

Also note that there are a few key differences between the two cases. For instance, Syria has been a dictatorship for decades, the country has no democratically legitimized parliament or institutions. Even post-Maidan, Ukraine still had a lawfully elected parliament in which even the MPs from Yanukovych's own party voted in favor of a resolution declaring him to have abdicated. It also had local governments and courts which had legitimization, none of that exists in Syria.

Furthermore, the bulk of the pro-Western movement in Ukraine were fairly normal folks, rather than bloodthirsty maniacs. In Syria, the dominant faction is a literal Al Qaeda offshoot, so there is damn good reason to suspect a fairly high share of violent, intolerant maniacs among them.

Burnt people alive and shelled the east with 14000 deaths over the years. Most if not all of them were civilians. Those were your not bloodthursty Azov.
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Dec 17 2024 12:15pm
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Burnt people alive and shelled the east with 14000 deaths over the years. Most if not all of them were civilians. Those were your not bloodthursty Azov.


The burnt down building in Odessa was a one-off; jihadists beheading or enslaving their enemies is common place.
The pre-2022 fights in the Donbass also saw the pro-Russian militias and soldiers trying to extend their territory, it wasn't a clean-cut war of aggression by the government forces in which Putin's little green men were only defending.
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