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May 19 2018 11:33pm
also I did some more digging;
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/15/world/new-reports-say-1980-reagan-campaign-tried-to-delay-hostage-release.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/15/opinion/the-election-story-of-the-decade.html


from the 1991 archives of NYtimes about Reagan's october surprise:
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Besides the report of the Madrid meetings, Mr. Sick's article also says that the Reagan campaign knew from an informant that the Carter White House was planning a possible second rescue operation. Mr. Sick quotes Richard V. Allen, the campaign's foreign policy adviser, as saying he met with someone on a park bench in Washington who told him that a second operation was being put together. Mr. Allen could not be reached for comment.


which informant inside the carter white house could have tipped off reagan that carter was planning a second rescue mission?





This post was edited by Goomshill on May 19 2018 11:36pm
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To parrot a youtube talking head:

If the fbi can spy on a presidential candidate, whats to stop them from blackmailing political power once hes in office?

/e bolded micro aggression

This post was edited by tonerbond on May 20 2018 12:28am
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Quote (tonerbond @ May 20 2018 01:27am)
To parrot a youtube talking head:

If the fbi can spy on a presidential candidate, whats to stop them from blackmailing political power once hes in office?

/e bolded micro aggression


FBI investigating campaign officials with ties to Russia =/= FBI spying on a presidential candidate.
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May 20 2018 12:41am
Quote (IceMage @ May 20 2018 02:30am)
FBI investigating campaign officials with ties to Russia =/= FBI spying on a presidential candidate.



I guess they must have been spying on Hillary too, cause we KNOW she had ties to Russia?

Supposedly, Russia contacted Trump's team because they had dirt on Hillary. How could Russia have dirt on Hillary?
Oh, and then there's that Uranium One deal that put $145 million in the Clinton Foundation coffers.

Yet the FBI spies on............ Trump ?!?

Mmmk, got it. :/



/e

Oh say can you see,
or are you really that blind?


What does it take to derail a Hillarite?

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May 20 2018 12:51am
Quote (IceMage @ May 19 2018 10:30pm)
FBI investigating campaign officials with ties to Russia =/= FBI spying on a presidential candidate.



If owning real estate in russia = collusion surely uranium 1 deals must be too
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May 20 2018 03:03am
man I also missed this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debategate
https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/01/us/a-bank-that-banks-on-conservative-dollars.html

Stefan Halper was not only involved in passing top secret foreign policy information to Reagan from inside the Carter white house as above, but was also involved in stealing Carter's debate preparations before the final presidential debate days before the election, in the Debategate scandal that only became known years later;

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Reagan's team had somehow acquired President Jimmy Carter's briefing papers, classified top secret[1], that Carter used in preparation for the October 28, 1980 debate with Reagan. The briefing papers were never specified to be vital strategy memos or just routine position papers. This leak of campaign papers was not divulged to the public until late June 1983, after Laurence Barrett published Gambling With History: Reagan in the White House, an in-depth account of the Reagan administration's first two years.


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A report by a House committee earlier this year {1984 article} said, ''Halper appears to have claimed that he saw Carter debate briefing material during the 1980 campaign.'' But Mr. Halper gave an affidavit to the committee saying he did not recall seeing any debate-related information or material or having made statements to that effect to anyone.


boy oh boy what a vital CIA 'informant', revealing his name to the public sure risked 'lives'
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man I also missed this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debategate
https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/01/us/a-bank-that-banks-on-conservative-dollars.html

Stefan Halper was not only involved in passing top secret foreign policy information to Reagan from inside the Carter white house as above, but was also involved in stealing Carter's debate preparations before the final presidential debate days before the election, in the Debategate scandal that only became known years later;

boy oh boy what a vital CIA 'informant', revealing his name to the public sure risked 'lives'


Maybe I missed it... what proof is there that he was involved in stealing that material?
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Quote (IceMage @ May 20 2018 06:43am)
Maybe I missed it... what proof is there that he was involved in stealing that material?


eh what ever gets proven in washington? One could still believe in the Rose Mary Stretch if they wanted to
as far as all the oodles of evidence of his involvement, its in those links;

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/07/07/us/reagan-aides-describe-operation-to-gather-inside-data-on-carter.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/01/us/a-bank-that-banks-on-conservative-dollars.html
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/07/24/The-briefing-papers-mystery-Leaked-Stolen-Investigations-spawn-contradictions-unanswered-questions/7460427867200/

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An operation to collect inside information on Carter Administration foreign policy was run in Ronald Reagan's campaign headquarters in the 1980 Presidential campaign, according to present and former Reagan Administration officials. Those sources said they did not know exactly what information the operation produced or whether it was anything beyond the usual grab bag of rumors and published news reports. But they said it involved a number of retired Central Intelligence Agency officials and was highly secretive. The sources identified Stefan A. Halper, a campaign aide involved in providing 24-hour news updates and policy ideas to the traveling Reagan party, as the person in charge.

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In an interview two weeks ago, Mr. Halper recalled that ''there was this material, the existence was widely known or at least generally known in the campaign". "I may have seen a few pages of it,'' he continued, ''but I can't confirm any particular subject or format. If pages of material had come my way, I would have routed them over to the debate group.''

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White House chief of staff James Baker says he recalls seeing the briefing book, and he believes he received it from campaign chairman William Casey, now the CIA director. Casey also was singled out in published reports quoting sources as saying he recruited former CIA and FBI agents to gather intelligence from their friends in the agencies about the Carter campaign and watch for a possible 'October surprise,' such as the release of 52 American hostages in Iran.. ... But William Van Cleave, a senior defense analyst who shared offices with Allen, told UPI he saw the material and assumed Allen did, too. ABC, quoted Van Cleave that Allen saw the briefing material. Van Cleave denies knowing the source of the material. Baker advised congressional investigators in a letter that he recalled passing the 'large loose-leaf bound book' to the debate briefing team headed by David Gergen and Frank Hodsoll... -Some conservatives in the Reagan White House have alleged that Stefan Halper, who served as director of policy coordination in the Reagan-Bush campaign, used former CIA agents to run a data-collection operation on the Carter administration's foreign policy. Halper has acknowledged employing former CIA agent Robert Gambino in his office, which he said was responsible for monitoring and analyzing all news developments 24 hours a day. However, Halper, a GOP moderate, said to his knowledge the existence of an intelligence network of former agents spying on the Carter administration was 'absolutely false.'


From everything I've ever read about Reagan-Iran-1980 (before Iran Contra), the general consensus was that the spying and collusion definitely occurred, but it was always brushed away as the actions of rogue aides taking their own initiative, never tied to the big cheese.
I must note that the allegations against Halper historically have been just his involvement in the general foreign policy spying and the debategate, whereas its me speculating that he's the informant who met in a park to tip off allen about the rescue attempt- could be that's not actually halper but one of the cia moles he was corralling. Not sure that distinction would mean anything.

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eh what ever gets proven in washington? One could still believe in the Rose Mary Stretch if they wanted to
as far as all the oodles of evidence of his involvement, its in those links;

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/07/07/us/reagan-aides-describe-operation-to-gather-inside-data-on-carter.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/01/us/a-bank-that-banks-on-conservative-dollars.html
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/07/24/The-briefing-papers-mystery-Leaked-Stolen-Investigations-spawn-contradictions-unanswered-questions/7460427867200/



From everything I've ever read about Reagan-Iran-1980 (before Iran Contra), the general consensus was that the spying and collusion definitely occurred, but it was always brushed away as the actions of rogue aides taking their own initiative, never tied to the big cheese.
I must note that the allegations against Halper historically have been just his involvement in the general foreign policy spying and the debategate, whereas its me speculating that he's the informant who met in a park to tip off allen about the rescue attempt- could be that's not actually halper but one of the cia moles he was corralling. Not sure that distinction would mean anything.


that's a very complicated way of saying 'none whatsoever'...
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Quote (fender @ May 20 2018 11:00am)
that's a very complicated way of saying 'none whatsoever'...


More evidence than muh russia
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