wait, on the one hand your healthcare is "perfectly fine", but on the other hand, despite more than a week of additional time to prepare compared to south korea, it still was "entirely too late", and both of those exist in the same world for you?
by the way, just claiming 'it was too late' while NOT addressing the reasons, like your government downplaying the seriousness (while secretly selling their stock), and even actively misleading the public (successfully as it seems), you ARE defending their response. context matters. sorry i seem to be the first person to ever teach that to you...

apparently you're not just allergic to facts and science, but even reality seems to be too much of a challenge for you. no wonder your replies are mostly seething rage and petty name-calling...

It's entirely too late to go the route of aggressive testing with contact tracing, the problem has spread too far. This isn't difficult. And why is it too late? Because of the government. Because private labs had tests ready to go, and were perversely held up the the government's emergency declaration and the FDA's standard protocols being inconsistent with what is needed for an emergency. Meanwhile, a local manufacturer will be shipping hundreds of ventilators this week/next, and thousands per week in 3 weeks. The plans are also available for free. Still looking for where I've "denied facts."

Lol, I love being lectured on my "seething rage" (it's actually condescending contempt) and "name calling" by someone who himself is guilty. Glass houses and all that.

you are failing to make the distinction between bureaucracy and health-care. federal bumbling was the issue with our healthcare system. the private sector has been actively filling wholes at a faster pace than bureaucracy.

there are reasons to make distinctions. just like you claiming "government was down-playing, selling stocks". when only 2 people had questionable motive, Burr being the worst.
but... Anthony Fauci is part of that same "government", and has actively voiced concern over the virus/disease.

so ya... "context matters"

you may also forget that China didn't bother telling us about the virus until late January, and was still lying about it.

NY case count is doubling every three days.

Meanwhile the capitalists are encouraging people to return to work ASAP because grandparents should be sacrificed for the 1%.

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i'm pretty sure i never lowered myself to your (inadvertently hilarious) standards:



'condescending contempt', huh? lol.

whatever, FACT is that your healthcare is NOT "perfectly fine", and you're dangerously gullible / delusional for suggesting that. FACT is that your response could have been better (despite your terrible healthcare system) if trump had taken the issue seriously, instead of misleading the american people, rejecting any responsibility, and not managing to display any kind of leadership. FACT is that every country that handled this crisis reasonably well so far, has some kind of universal healthcare system.

you can cry and moan, make excuses and deflect, ignore science and reality... but that won't change those undeniable truths. facts don't care about your feelings, buddy.




lazy whataboutisms aside (everyone here already agrees that xi is a lying scumbag, who at the very least severely exacerbated the impact of this virus with his initial response to it), how is this "dishonest"?
are you suggesting that trump was, in fact, NOT downplaying this crisis? are you suggesting those videos of him proving that, are fake? what exactly is your issue here?

there's also reason to put failures of the healthcare system in real time in context. if we know where the most cases are in relation to the least amount of available care we can streamline the response. rather than forwarding a "the whole healthcare system is fucked" narrative when in reality the worst outcomes will be regional.

too many people think just declaring that the sky is falling is effective, when in reality a more measured approach can save more lives.

A politician in charge touting the narrative of "things are fine" is akin to a defense lawyer saying things that make his client look innocent. There's no grounds to criticize them for supporting a false narrative: they are just doing their job.

Responsibility lies on the viewer to understand the difference between "the words of a politician" and "useful information". Its not Trump's fault that he was born into a system in which his job was to say false things that support his administration's goal. Anyone else who has been elected would have been in the same position.

If you are mad that we live in a world where masses of people wrongly conflate "worlds of politicians" with "an attempt to provide reliable information", then where should that anger be directed? At the media for polarizing the narrative even more, when they could instead be translating it into something more rational? At the masses of people, for listening to the wrong media? At the generations of politicians who crafted the current system into what it is? At the generations of voters who refused enforce accountability on those politicians?

This post was edited by Kayeto on Mar 24 2020 01:00pm

that's cool and all but Trump was billed as "something different", "a straight talker", and "not a politician".

after one term its clear this was all a lie.

He is completely plastic.

do you think it would be a good idea for him to actually say, in a news conference, that a reasonable guess is that 3% of Americans are going to die in the next 6 months? Would saying that truth constitute "him doing his job well"?