Quote (thesnipa @ 26 Sep 2018 22:11)

d2post contains blocked Quote ( by inkanddagger )Why not? It's a disgusting logical fallacy that needs to be called out every time someone attempts it.

well he claims to be a virgin till like 25. so you'll prob get a list with 2-3 women and his wife.



if by "court-proof" you mean would likely sway a jury, yes. i dont think it would prevent it from being admissible tho.

Quote (thesnipa @ 26 Sep 2018 14:55)

in criminal proceedings you call character witnesses to establish what kind of person someone is. both sides can do it. all of these witnesses can be blissfully ignorant to the crime or even specifics. they're just there to say what kind of person someone is.

these reviews, while unreliable i agree, do serve a purpose in that sense. they are imperfect by comparison, but let's be honest, character witnesses are always bs, its just under oath.

Quote (Goomshill @ 26 Sep 2018 15:00)

Independent, corroborating Yelp reviews that are timestamped as coming from long before she was in the public fray. Yes, I give those lots of stock, and I've been waiting patiently for any such evidence against Kavanaugh which has yet to materialize
I don't care if it was scribblings on a bathroom wall that told you to call Sputnik's phone number for a good time- if it can be established as clearly independent from the accusation and weighing into her credibility, that's significant evidence.

She provided essentially zero details for her allegation, leaving us nothing but her credibility to go on. And then we find out she has a history of being sued for defamation, accused of lying to ruin people's lives and accused of being a duplicitous whore.
Unlike classical smear campaigns against accusers (cough Bill Clinton Saga /cough), this history is independent of and predates the media spectacle. Which is precisely why it bears importance.

Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 26 2018 02:14pm)

I don't think the posts calling her a whore are as relevant as the ones calling her a liar and establishing a predisposition to unethical conduct like banging married men.
Its kind of like you say, if she was a whore than it would play to her credibility of whether she consented to a sexual encounter and retroactively called it gang rape. But that's mooted by Kavanaugh's flat denial that anything of the sort happened at all, and our total lack of evidence ever putting the two of them within a mile of each other. Given Kavanaugh's total denial, it would be enough just to establish he was banging her that it wouldn't matter whether she consented or not insofar as proving Kavanaugh at least a liar.

but multiple personal accusations of her lying and a defamation suit? If all you've got for an accusation is personal credibility, and your accuser has a reputation as a liar and is being represented by the creepy porn lawyer, yeesh

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 26 2018 02:16pm)

With the current evidence she provides for her accusations, it's a he said she said situation. In such a situation, the only thing we can do is weigh the credibility of both parties against one another. In such a situation, one side being on record for having been sued and sentenced for defamation - probably even for a relationship- or sex-related case - is the strongest possible evidence against this person's credibility that I can think of.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 26 2018 02:23pm)

Well, that whole "slut shaming" argument is an important political implication of all of this. The Republicans are in huge danger of treating Ford too harsh, or to resort to arguments which are, or can easily be spun as slut shaming. In the current political and social environment, with the current political momentum of the Democrats and the #metoo-movement and the impending midterm elections, even doing the correct thing to defend Kavanaugh from unsubstantiated accusations might prove to be highly toxic, politically. Therefore, I'm actually starting to agree with those pundits who say that Kavanaugh withdrawing his nomination by himself and clearing the way for Barrett, Kethledge or Hardiman would be the best thing for the GOP.

Quote (thesnipa @ 26 Sep 2018 22:24)

too true. any senators that say "why was she at that party in the first place" are doing themselves a disservice. easy points for the dems.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 26 2018 02:26pm)

Yes, its just... I would really REALLY hate the precedent this would set.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 26 2018 03:31pm)

why trump transitioned from "i want to hear what she has to say" to "i think she's lying, this should have been done weeks ago" is beyond me. he gained nothing and lost something, just odd.

Quote (djman72 @ 26 Sep 2018 22:33)

Yep - he should have backed BK with generic statement's and let this whole thing play it's course. The second he flipped into his usual attack default I face palm'd.

Quote (djman72 @ Sep 26 2018 02:33pm)

Yep - he should have backed BK with generic statement's and let this whole thing play it's course. The second he flipped into his usual attack default I face palm'd.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 26 2018 02:34pm)

He just cant stay on the message. Sad! *chuckles*