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Jan 10 2021 12:15pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 10 2021 01:09pm)
Very well said, but I think your conclusion doesnt actually go deep enough. America does not just have a problem with the normalization of political violence. The reason violence is normalized and that people are turning their backs on democracy itself is that democratic elections in America are increasingly failing to resolve political tensions. Polarization and antagonism have increased for over 25 years, and neither side has been able to achieve a lasting victory in this conflict via sustained electoral success. The political power in the country keeps being balanced on a knife's edge while people feel like the consequences of either side winning keep going up all the time. Just to remind everyone: flip 35k votes in the right places from Trump to Clinton in 2016, and she becomes president. Flip just 20k votes in the right places from Biden to Trump, and Trump remains president.

The problem America is facing is not just one of the means of conflict escalating - the true problem is that the conflict itself is getting increasingly fundamental. The country is breaking apart into two sides whose views, ideologies and ideas of the future are increasingly disparate and irreconcilable. Meaningful compromise might no longer be possible, and, as Wednesday shows, democratic elections themselves might also have lost their ability to resolve this conflict. It seems like, if forced to choose between their political beliefs and democracy, an increasing share of the population would ditch democracy. If electoral defeat is not an option anymore, civil war is the only remaining exit.


Joe Biden is pouring kerosine on the fire, and he's doing it on purpose. This is going to get worse and worse. Bill Clinton would have never been stupid enough to say that the "DC Police are racist" in response to political unrest.
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Jan 10 2021 12:19pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 10 Jan 2021 13:10)
Violence is justified when it's carried out by people i agree with and not justified when it's carried out by people i disagree with - most of pard

Sadly there aren't many centrists around these parts

yeah i mentioned in another post there have been very few showing consistency in condeming/not condoning the so-called protests that started in 2017-summer 2020 (still ongoing too) and the one that took place at the capitol
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Jan 10 2021 12:21pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 10 Jan 2021 19:15)
Joe Biden is pouring kerosine on the fire, and he's doing it on purpose. This is going to get worse and worse. Bill Clinton would have never been stupid enough to say that the "DC Police are racist" in response to political unrest.


I wouldnt blame him too much for choosing suboptimal words in the heat of the moment. What's supremely important, see my two posts on the previous page, is that Biden achieves depolarization over the coming 4 years. He's actually well-positioned to do that. If he cant get it done, I dont think any Democrat can. I'm sceptical though, there'll be so many forces pulling Biden in an escalating direction...

Anyway, for now, this is still the chaos Trump owns. Time for him to go.
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Jan 10 2021 12:36pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 10 2021 01:21pm)
I wouldnt blame him too much for choosing suboptimal words in the heat of the moment. What's supremely important, see my two posts on the previous page, is that Biden achieves depolarization over the coming 4 years. He's actually well-positioned to do that. If he cant get it done, I dont think any Democrat can. I'm sceptical though, there'll be so many forces pulling Biden in an escalating direction...

Anyway, for now, this is still the chaos Trump owns. Time for him to go.


His 2024 run is done for good now agreed. Probably better this way.
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Jan 10 2021 12:57pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 10 2021 10:21am)
I wouldnt blame him too much for choosing suboptimal words in the heat of the moment. What's supremely important, see my two posts on the previous page, is that Biden achieves depolarization over the coming 4 years. He's actually well-positioned to do that. If he cant get it done, I dont think any Democrat can. I'm sceptical though, there'll be so many forces pulling Biden in an escalating direction...

Anyway, for now, this is still the chaos Trump owns. Time for him to go.


except it was antifa that caused all the problems at the capital and the video footage that proves it but people will still ram and jam the narrative that suits them
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something antifa would do to a lone woman
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but we know now through video analysis that antifa was there and causing problems and the maga people were actually trying to stop them. To decide the cops death was because of the maga people with out investigation is fraudulent.
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Jan 10 2021 01:08pm
Quote (TiStuff @ 10 Jan 2021 20:05)
something antifa would do to a lone woman

but we know now through video analysis that antifa was there and causing problems and the maga people were actually trying to stop them. To decide the cops death was because of the maga people with out investigation is fraudulent.


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Quote (SuperSpreader @ Jan 10 2021 09:31am)
well he does let people burn his city to the ground on a weekly basis
maybe he should get a different job


lol? he should become a fireman?
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its a cute picture.
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