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Sep 26 2018 02:03pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 26 Sep 2018 20:13)
Did you think that I wanted Kavanaugh confirmed? just a yes or no should work to save you some time.


i don't know how that's even remotely relevant for my point that throughout this whole thread you have consistently attacked and complained about actions that democrats hadn't even taken, while largely ignoring the hackery, hypocrisy, and lack of morals actually on display from the right, but if i had to place a bet right now i'd probably say 'no' - just based on the way you're asking. prior to this post i probably would have leaned toward 'yes', but with serious doubts based on his awful legislative track record in conflict to the positions you allegedly hold.

i'm sure that will probably make you think you dodged another 'gotcha' (or even worse, is a setup for the nonsensical 'can't be biased because i don't even want him confirmed' argument), or some other paranoid bs that's apparently going on in your head, but again - that has literally nothing to do with my point. also, it's basically the same kind of 'logic' as with the pro-abortion stance i openly asked you about, and that you hilariously misidentified as 'trap' (even though i did everything to convey to you that your clear bias on this issue is what made me curious in the first place), and that you evaded only thanks to your outstanding intelligence and perceptiveness, haha...
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Sep 26 2018 02:05pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 26 2018 02:00pm)
I don't even try to figure out senate procedure. It took me long enough the other day just to figure out whether they have a friday session or not (they do), I couldn't figure out how the swearing in / ability to rehear oral arguments works on scotus



Independent, corroborating Yelp reviews that are timestamped as coming from long before she was in the public fray. Yes, I give those lots of stock, and I've been waiting patiently for any such evidence against Kavanaugh which has yet to materialize
I don't care if it was scribblings on a bathroom wall that told you to call Sputnik's phone number for a good time- if it can be established as clearly independent from the accusation and weighing into her credibility, that's significant evidence.

She provided essentially zero details for her allegation, leaving us nothing but her credibility to go on. And then we find out she has a history of being sued for defamation, accused of lying to ruin people's lives and accused of being a duplicitous whore.
Unlike classical smear campaigns against accusers (cough Bill Clinton Saga /cough), this history is independent of and predates the media spectacle. Which is precisely why it bears importance.


wouldn't her sexual history only matter if we could credibly believe she willingly participated in a gang bang then called it rape?

not trying to slutshame-shame but it just seems like an unrelated point to her credibility, even though her allegations are sexual in nature. the sleeping around and being called a "whore" isn't relevant to a gang rape imo. i'd object to that if it was in discover, i'd try to strike all of the reviews that didn't talk about her lying or defamation.

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i don't know how that's even remotely relevant for my point that throughout this whole thread you have consistently attacked and complained about actions that democrats hadn't even taken, while largely ignoring the hackery, hypocrisy, and lack of morals actually on display from the right, but if i had to place a bet right now i'd probably say 'no' - just based on the way you're asking. prior to this post i probably would have leaned toward 'yes', but with serious doubts based on his awful legislative track record in conflict to the positions you allegedly hold.

i'm sure that will probably make you think you dodged another 'gotcha' (or even worse, is a setup for the nonsensical 'can't be biased because i don't even want him confirmed' argument), or some other paranoid bs that's apparently going on in your head, but again - that has literally nothing to do with my point. also, it's basically the same kind of 'logic' as with the pro-abortion stance i openly asked you about, and that you hilariously misidentified as 'trap' (even though i did everything to convey to you that your clear bias on this issue is what made me curious in the first place), and that you evaded only thanks to your outstanding intelligence and perceptiveness, haha...


did you read post #1816?

based on this non-yes-no-answer id have to guess not.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Sep 26 2018 02:07pm
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Sep 26 2018 02:05pm
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Why the change of tune ?


Oh I was just playing the optimistic democrat that day. Today is for realism. The dude is going to get confirmed. Why wouldn't he? Something really crazy is going to have to happen tomorrow for his fate to be anything other than a life of power and luxury.
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Sep 26 2018 02:06pm
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I bet she was pretty hot in the 80's
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Sep 26 2018 02:07pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 26 2018 01:05pm)
wouldn't her sexual history only matter if we could credibly believe she willingly participated in a gang bang then called it rape?

not trying to slutshame-shame but it just seems like an unrelated point to her credibility, even though her allegations are sexual in nature. the sleeping around and being called a "whore" isn't relevant to a gang rape imo. i'd object to that if it was in discover, i'd try to strike all of the reviews that didn't talk about her lying or defamation.


Why not? It's a disgusting logical fallacy that needs to be called out every time someone attempts it.
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Sep 26 2018 02:09pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Sep 26 2018 02:07pm)
Why not? It's a disgusting logical fallacy that needs to be called out every time someone attempts it.


the nature of the allegations are sexual, so her sexual history/credibility may be relevant. id give myself a 50-50 of getting it tossed in discovery. female judge tho, 90-10.
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Sep 26 2018 02:10pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 26 2018 01:09pm)
the nature of the allegations are sexual, so her sexual history/credibility may be relevant. id give myself a 50-50 of getting it tossed in discovery. female judge tho, 90-10.


I'm going to need to see a list of all of Brett Kavanaugh's past sexual partners.
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Sep 26 2018 02:10pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 26 Sep 2018 22:00)
I don't even try to figure out senate procedure. It took me long enough the other day just to figure out whether they have a friday session or not (they do), I couldn't figure out how the swearing in / ability to rehear oral arguments works on scotus



Independent, corroborating Yelp reviews that are timestamped as coming from long before she was in the public fray. Yes, I give those lots of stock, and I've been waiting patiently for any such evidence against Kavanaugh which has yet to materialize
I don't care if it was scribblings on a bathroom wall that told you to call Sputnik's phone number for a good time- if it can be established as clearly independent from the accusation and weighing into her credibility, that's significant evidence.

She provided essentially zero details for her allegation, leaving us nothing but her credibility to go on.And then we find out she has a history of being sued for defamation, accused of lying to ruin people's lives and accused of being a duplicitous whore.
Unlike classical smear campaigns against accusers (cough Bill Clinton Saga /cough), this history is independent of and predates the media spectacle. Which is precisely why it bears importance.


I think the bolded part carries a lot more weight than some online dating reviews. It would be nice to know if the defamation lawsuits against her were successful - if yes, then that's a huge, court-proof evidence against her being a credible source.

Quote (Brian_D @ 26 Sep 2018 22:06)
I bet she was pretty hot in the 80's


definitely. I think she's still quite beautiful for a woman in her 50s. But there's just something horribly off about her smile.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 26 2018 02:11pm
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Sep 26 2018 02:11pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Sep 26 2018 02:10pm)
I'm going to need to see a list of all of Brett Kavanaugh's past sexual partners.


well he claims to be a virgin till like 25. so you'll prob get a list with 2-3 women and his wife.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 26 2018 02:10pm)
I think the bolded part carries a lot more weight than some online dating reviews. It would be nice to know if the defamation lawsuits against her were successful - if yes, then that's a huge, court-proof evidence against her being a credible source.


if by "court-proof" you mean would likely sway a jury, yes. i dont think it would prevent it from being admissible tho.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Sep 26 2018 02:11pm
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Sep 26 2018 02:14pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 26 2018 02:05pm)
wouldn't her sexual history only matter if we could credibly believe she willingly participated in a gang bang then called it rape?

not trying to slutshame-shame but it just seems like an unrelated point to her credibility, even though her allegations are sexual in nature. the sleeping around and being called a "whore" isn't relevant to a gang rape imo. i'd object to that if it was in discover, i'd try to strike all of the reviews that didn't talk about her lying or defamation.


I don't think the posts calling her a whore are as relevant as the ones calling her a liar and establishing a predisposition to unethical conduct like banging married men.
Its kind of like you say, if she was a whore than it would play to her credibility of whether she consented to a sexual encounter and retroactively called it gang rape. But that's mooted by Kavanaugh's flat denial that anything of the sort happened at all, and our total lack of evidence ever putting the two of them within a mile of each other. Given Kavanaugh's total denial, it would be enough just to establish he was banging her that it wouldn't matter whether she consented or not insofar as proving Kavanaugh at least a liar.

but multiple personal accusations of her lying and a defamation suit? If all you've got for an accusation is personal credibility, and your accuser has a reputation as a liar and is being represented by the creepy porn lawyer, yeesh
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