Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Apr 4 2015 12:27pm)

I would support and campaign for the man that could earnestly make it work yes in a heart beat I believe that people are more important than money that wealth should not only belong to the owner of the business but should be shared with the workmen as well Those whose sweat and blood and backs go into that business deserve a share in the wealth of the business.

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Excessive wealth is a big sin( not meant in a religious way necessarily but can be taken that way) when there are so many living in poverty I am in favor of re-distribution of wealth. I agree with the statement.

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I don't agree with Hitler and I know his Economics had a few built-in flaws but he did feed a hungry nation, cure unemployment, amp-up manufacturing, build a super highway system all in his 4-year plan

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BTW better figure out what a strawman is I think you are jousting windmills

Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 4 2015 12:07pm)

They already have something for this. They are called wages.


You think some people are too rich and want to implement policies that would make us all worse off. A+

Incentives are necessary for a prosperous society and an efficient use of resources. Yes that will lead to rich people.


Real wages crashed. Widespread Shortages and rationing. Forced labor. Massive deficit spending and nearly complete depletion of reserves. Deprivation and misallocation of resources to pay for government desires and rearmament instead of the wants and needs of the people.
Its also believed that the failure of his economic policies influenced his decision to invade other nations.

"We are overpopulated and cannot feed ourselves from our own resources. The solution ultimately lies in extending the living space of our people, that is, in extending the sources of its raw materials and foodstuffs."-Hitler

Yeah a real great job..


Your entire previous post was a series of sham arguments and misrepresentations and fake quotes set up to be sardonically dismissed.

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Hah..you fight against a raise in the minimum wage and then dare to say that the working man share in the wealth of the business..BULLSHIT...Does he share in the bad news absolutely you know as soon as things slow down the gpm is balanced with labor. Human being the most liquid of the owners holdings. But when things get better profits do not get shared.

Business owners Fuck over Labor because they are allowed to fuck over Labor. If I had time to school you on how Labor and the big AutoMakers were doing just fine with the UAW fighting for it's workers and winning them fair wages with good benefit packs. befor The far East was allowed to import cars of shoddy workmanship built by practically slave labor and the Fed.s just opened up their arms and let them come in.....there was some free trade for you talk about fucking an economy that has stayed fucked till today that is the start of America's de-industrialization.



Yes incentives are a 2-story house and a new car every other year and meat every day of the week not over a billion Dollars in your portfolio..that is excessive...it is gluttony that money is just cream floating at the top.

Real wages crashed. Widespread Shortages and rationing. Forced labor. Massive deficit spending and nearly complete depletion of reserves. Deprivation and misallocation of resources to pay for government desires and rearmament instead of the wants and needs of the people.
Its also believed that the failure of his economic policies influenced his decision to invade other nations.

This is why I said short term. He had a good grasp on Economics and curtailed a disaster very quickly it was a time that required drastic measure, Do you agree with every move FDR made those same 4 years/

"We are overpopulated and cannot feed ourselves from our own resources. The solution ultimately lies in extending the living space of our people, that is, in extending the sources of its raw materials and foodstuffs."-Hitler

Yeah a real great job..


Your entire previous post was a series of sham arguments and misrepresentations and fake quotes set up to be sardonically dismissed.

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Hah..you fight against a raise in the minimum wage and then dare to say that the working man share in the wealth of the business..BULLSHIT...Does he share in the bad news absolutely you know as soon as things slow down the gpm is balanced with labor. Human being the most liquid of the owners holdings. But when things get better profits do not get shared.

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Business owners Fuck over Labor because they are allowed to fuck over Labor. If I had time to school you on how Labor and the big AutoMakers were doing just fine with the UAW fighting for it's workers and winning them fair wages with good benefit packs. befor The far East was allowed to import cars of shoddy workmanship built by practically slave labor and the Fed.s just opened up their arms and let them come in.....there was some free trade for you talk about fucking an economy that has stayed fucked till today that is the start of America's de-industrialization.

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This is why I said short term. He had a good grasp on Economics and curtailed a disaster very quickly it was a time that required drastic measure, Do you agree with every move FDR made those same 4 years/

Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Apr 4 2015 07:27pm)

I don't agree with Hitler and I know his Economics had a few built-in flaws but he did feed a hungry nation, cure unemployment, amp-up manufacturing, build a super highway system all in his 4-year plan

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Have you ever read Kapital? Most people on the Right instinctively dodge it, but it is the greatest description of capitalism ever created and anybody serious about economics has to read it.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 4 Apr 2015 13:38)

Wages are not a share of the wealth, they are a constant, labor cost is the most stable number used in the mix when the gpm is figured. If you think that the wages paid for the labor produced is fair considering the wealth earned for the owners and CEO.'s of the businesses then you are crazy. The rift between the two just widens more every day. Employers and the dwindling job market have succeeded in devastating the labor unions which were the only friends the blue collar workers had. Now wages for non-degree entry level jobs have dropped as have the end of the line wages for High School graduates. And you say fight against a rise in the minimum wage, how noble of you to protect the wealth of the 1% business owners.




Yes I would deprive Americans of the cheap japanese autos. I would have stood at our shores with rocket launchers if possible especially if hindsight could see the picture of American Labor today what a fucking disaster it has become. I would have made the off shore competitors compete with our American makers in an apples to apples manner I would do anything in my earthly power to preserve the American jobs and families that were utterly destroyed. It wasn't just the Autoworkers..It is like a tabletop full of dominoes once you tip four of them over they all begin to fall. Hundreds of thousands of Americans who were making good middle class livelyhoods suddenly stopped, and all of America who was servicing and selling to them stopped as well.

I don't need to open all of those economic textbooks to see what has happened...I've lived through the times, I've watched it happen....Do you know who hasn't been hurt by these changes?
who this crumbling American landscape actually helps because it creates a hungry willing, desperate workforce......? guess who Cam guess



Keep telling me how a set minimum wage is bad and actually hurts the lower class and people living in poverty and how that raising it will even hurt more and I will continue to laugh my ass off because you are the biggest hand puppet, the bourgeois cheerleader for the 1% club

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