I mean, if you want to give Trump credit for the current economic climate the only real way to do it is to say that inept governments keeping things stable is good for the economy. Still, it requires you admit Trump is too inept to actually get anything done.

The economic boom created by his being elected
The markets are based on speculation, not retrospection. They surged the moment Trump won the election because investors wanted to buy in before his tax cuts / deregulation / stimulus, not after it.
Trying to spin an economic boom that magically came out of nowhere the moment Trump was elected after 2 years of stagnation under Obama is pathetic.



No, it wasn't. Obama laid out his (second) plan to destroy ISIS using the Kurds and Iraqis as our proxies, but it wasn't executed until Trump.
Obama got to oversee the relatively bloodless portion in which all we did was rush the Kurds across Syria before the Turks could cut their lines.
It was under Trump that we sieged the major cities like Raqqa and crushed ISIS with bombings until they were no more.

Just because it was Obama's plan doesn't change the fact that Trump held all the liability and responsibility. If the plan had failed, Trump would have eaten all the blame for it. Indeed, the media went nuts blaming him for civilian casualties. And Trump had actually tweaked Obama's original plan by pushing back the deadlines to start the siege in order to allow more humanitarian aid and civilian extractions and deconfliction between forces, as well as delegating more authority to commanders. So by reasonable estimates, Trump's plan was a huge success: We had less civilian casualties and still managed to destroy ISIS. Its still Trump's responsibility and blame what will occur as post-war Syria is divided up and returned to Assad's control and Russia's sphere of influence, and there's still a big risk of more destabilization with the turks, kurds, iraqis, sunnis holdouts, assad's government, etc all still in place.

And on that note, Obama doesn't deserve any real credit for his plan to end the Syrian war because his first plan of propping up the sunni jihadis is what turned it into such a clusterfuck and created the humanitarian and refugee crisis. Mopping up the spilled milk isn't really worthy of applause.



If you think peace efforts between the Koreas have ever come as far as they have right now, then you're living up to the Thor reputation.

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 5 2018 02:45pm

Anybody who thinks ISIS wasn't in shambles when Trump took office isn't worth talking too. We'd have to go over the last six years of history for you to even be able to have the conversation.

Same with the current Korea talks. Korea has finished their nuclear tests and the majority of their ICBM tests, so that's why this is happening. Not because of anything Trump has done.




Look at the DOW. You can pretty easily see that there was stagnation in 2015 as the elections came up, then a small bump after 2016 before the stock market cooled back down to where we would expect it to be if it had remained linear the entire time. Trump is responsible for a small, eventually corrected jump that didn't last and now we're right back to the same line we were getting under Obama. Hell, if you actually look at it we should be even higher than now if Trump had continued the same trend. But it eventually crashed back down because the excitement didn't materialize into anything tangible.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 5 2018 02:51pm

There were so in shambles that they controlled a majority of Syria and large swathe of Iraq and held Raqqa and Mosul

while I agree with most of what you say, this map is misleading: the majority of the territory held by ISIS was very sparsely populated. they held around 30% of the syrian area, but less than 10% of the (pre-war/isis) population.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 5 2018 03:15pm

They "controlled" area with no strategic value population or resources. You don't know enough to even have this conversation.

Also, the most important target BY FAR on the entire map had already been taken. Aleppo. Everything else is a distant distant DISTANT second.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 5 2018 03:23pm

TIL oil fields have no strategic value or resources.

When your entire supply line has already been decimated by the Obama Administration and you have no way to extract it or sell it then that is the case. And that's exactly what happened and the main reason Isis was in shambles when Obama left office.


Fun fact Trump also had no idea the Moab was going to be dropped until after it was. The Moab was an Obama plan that was already being put into effect before Trump was in office.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 5 2018 03:31pm

little fella thor lying to himself again. should we get flat earth guy here to intellectually destroy him one more time

The funniest part is him worshipping Obama while making fun of people minding their own business worshipping God.

Even Mattis said that Obama was a failure micromanager and his strategies all failed because of it.