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#1841
Jan 4 2017 10:01pm
Quote (Gastly @ Jan 4 2017 04:02pm)
Never read Marx in German. I'm trying to better my German atm tho!
Finnish has the advantage of using compound words as well.

The Capital is dreary as fuck (imo), you might genuinely want to skip some chapters lest they bore you to death. The Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts and the Grundrisse are much better reads iirc

What I recall from reading Marx is that at times he's surprisingly Hegelian in his choice of words and methods - so some familiarity with Hegel's terms could help. Familiarity with the concept of "Aufhebung", some conception of Hegel's notion of truth and some measure of understanding of his dialectic method of exposition would probs help loads in reading Marx.


Science isn't quantifiable like that anyways


FYI it's just called "Capital" in English.
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#1842
Jan 4 2017 10:24pm
Quote (Nathan @ Jan 4 2017 11:01pm)
FYI it's just called "Capital" in English.


Thanks for the relevant information Mr. If anyone says "Marx" I'm gonna correct them on something.
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#1843
Jan 5 2017 01:45am
Has anyone here considered "Apatheism"?

When I was still a vigorous atheist, at some point I came to the conclusion that it simply does not matter. We will never find out whether the universe was created by a deity or not, but I am 100% certain that this potential deity stopped influencing the universe once he was done creating it. And even if the deity is still present, he is neither benevolent nor malevolent towards humans, since he is simply letting us do as we please. Some people have amazing lives, some people have shitty lives, and none of it is correlated with work ethics or religious devotion.

Therefore, it simply should not matter. Considering that a deity's existence is impossible to prove or disprove, and considering that there is no reason to want to please the possible deity, I go by apatheism.
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Jan 5 2017 03:15am
Quote (Leevee @ Jan 5 2017 12:45am)
Has anyone here considered "Apatheism"?

When I was still a vigorous atheist, at some point I came to the conclusion that it simply does not matter. We will never find out whether the universe was created by a deity or not, but I am 100% certain that this potential deity stopped influencing the universe once he was done creating it. And even if the deity is still present, he is neither benevolent nor malevolent towards humans, since he is simply letting us do as we please. Some people have amazing lives, some people have shitty lives, and none of it is correlated with work ethics or religious devotion.

Therefore, it simply should not matter. Considering that a deity's existence is impossible to prove or disprove, and considering that there is no reason to want to please the possible deity, I go by apatheism.


It's not an alternative to atheism or agnosticism but a subcategory.
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Jan 5 2017 08:12am
Quote (Nathan @ Jan 5 2017 11:15am)
It's not an alternative to atheism or agnosticism but a subcategory.


I know.
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Jan 6 2017 05:01pm
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We will never find out whether the universe was created by a deity or not, but I am 100% certain that this potential deity stopped influencing the universe once he was done creating it.

Why is it that you believe so?
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#1847
Jan 6 2017 05:21pm
Quote (Scaly @ Jan 4 2017 10:45pm)
He's good at working idiots.


yea but imagine how much money we could make if we were that good - and wouldn't feel bad about it

This post was edited by duffman316 on Jan 6 2017 05:22pm
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Jan 6 2017 05:23pm
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yea but imagine how much money we could make if we were that good - and wouldn't feel bad about it


I'd feel pretty bad if I was making my living by lying to people in such a way that it entirely distorts their worldview.

Might compile that Christian apologist thread now tbh. Got nothing better to do while the gf is at work.

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Jan 6 2017 05:26pm
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I'd feel pretty bad if I was making my living by lying to people in such a way that it entirely distorts their worldview.


i've long since maintained that this whole conscience thing gets in the way of easy money, i can't even take a small amount of extra change from cashiers who are bad at math :/

meanwhile i have friends who rationalize it as them giving it you freely and it's not their fault for taking advantage of the situation :o

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Jan 6 2017 05:28pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 6 Jan 2017 23:26)
i've long since maintained that this whole conscience thing gets in the way of easy money, i can't even take a small amount of extra change from cashiers who are bad at math :/

meanwhile i have friends who rationalize it as them giving it you freely and it's not their fault for taking advantage of the situation :o


Well there are levels of immorality. it's down to personal values. I would consider taking the extra change to be far better than what Craig does.

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