Yes, there is a very obvious reason for it: political leaders make a deliberate choice to foster mass immigration, time and time again. Is this all part of one gigantic, long-running conspiracy? Did a cabal of white-hating elites gather in a spooky castle on top of a pointy mountaintop 70 years ago, to plot the eradication of the white race? No, of course not.


What is part of reality and perfectly logical, however, is that elites and the ruling class favor more immigration based on self-interest - a larger labor supply depresses wages, more potential customers means more opportunity for growth, a larger demand for housing drives property prices, a larger population means a larger tax base and more government programs. Employers, landlords, mainstream politicians and members of the "welfare industry" all LOVE mass immigration.

All it takes is a quick Google search to confirm that no, the Minnesota law does not grant illegal immigrants the right or ability to vote.

You and are both mixing up two different aspects of margins. Of course it was helpful for Republicans that they lost Hispanics by only 5% in 2024 instead of the 32% by which they lost them in 2020. Nonetheless, the presence of this D+5 demographic was still helpful for Democrats; the Republican margins would have been even higher without Hispanic voters in the electorate.



The bigger story of the 2024 election is actually that the white share of the electorate went up 4 points, from 67% in 2020 to 71% in 2024. For decades, the composition of the electorate had followed that of the overall population and gotten less and less white each cycle. 2024 was the first time in god knows how long when this trend was reversed. And while white voters were actually the only ethnic group which trended (marginally) toward Democrats in 2024, it was still a group which Trump won by a large margin, so this shift in the ethnic makeup of the electorate also gave Trump a big boost.



The story of the Trump-era elections is basically as follows:

2016: both candidates are historically unpopular, interest and overall turnout are anemic, but Trump trades suburban for rural voters, which narrowly carries the day for him in the EC.
2020: turnout is supercharged on both sides, but even more so among college-educated whites who are stampeding away from Trump. Rural turnout falls off from 2016, which allows Biden to carry states like GA or PA.
2024: super high turnout from both Trump's rural white base and from Democrats' new, college-white base, but non-white America is far less energized, allowing Trump to win the popular vote. Tldr: Harris is no Obama.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 15 2025 08:22pm

I’m not mixing it up. I know Latinos still skewed democratic. But it’s undeniable they swung significantly towards republicans this last cycle compared to previous elections which was hugely helpful for republicans and just goes to illustrate that voting coalitions can change.

This post was edited by TeenyUncle8 on Oct 15 2025 08:24pm

You wrote "these demographic shifts haven't actually helped Dems." Which is not true. A rising share of Hispanic voters over the past decades has helped Democrats, and still did in 2024.

It was only bad for Democrats in relative terms, because their electoral strategy was built on a house of sand, basically betting that they would continue to win Hispanic and Asian voters by 30 point margins indefinitely. The flawed basic premise was that just because they had maintained huge margins among black voters for decades, the same would also be true for other minority voters if only they pandered to them hard enough. In hindsight, it seems obvious that that wouldn't be the case and that a ton of Hispanics would instead go the way of the "ethnic whites" before them (Irish, German, Italian). As these groups got assimilated into American mainstream culture, their voting behavior increasingly began to match that of the native population.

It's quite ironic, however, that it happened under Trump of all people.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 15 2025 08:40pm

Yes it was bad for democrats relative to where they were in the past few cycles and reflective that voting coalitions change which was part of my point.

Okay, fine. Since this debate started with the electoral impact of long-term demographic shifts in the electorate, I just wanted to reiterate that those are still beneficial to Dems, even if the sizable shifts we saw in 2024 blew up their electoral strategy.

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By my napkin math, if the same shifts in voting patterns within ethnic groups would have taken place in 2024, but all groups had hypothetically instead stayed at their 2020 share of the electorate, that would have shelved off roughly 2.5% off of Trump's final popular vote margin. Trump won the tipping point state in the EC (namely Pennsylvania) by just 1.7%. So this means that even with the sizable trend toward Republicans which we saw among Hispanic and Asian voters, Trump would still have lost the election if these shifts hadn't also been accompanied by a sizable drop in the non-white turnout.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 15 2025 09:03pm

Whoa its ILLEGAL! therefore it cannot happen!

Minnesota has a ton of illegal aliens who scam our state in every way possible, because thats what Somalis do. Their community created a massive fraud ring that is leeching off every social program illegally: Immigration, childcare, housing, covid, health insurance, mental services, meals for children. They took billions of dollars and splash it around their insular community, bribing and threatening people to stay silent. The feds moved in with mass arrests and trials for all sorts of different massive frauds, and the state had to close down multiple social programs because they were used for nothing but fraud. The emergency housing program just went away.

Minnesota gives drivers licenses to illegal aliens.

Minnesota requires no proof or vetting to either register to vote or to cast your vote. You do not need to present any ID and there's no attempt to prosecute anyone for illegally registering nor for illegally voting

Minnesota already got a few cases of Somalis voting illegally in schemes so obvious the poll workers noticed: People showed up claiming to be "english translators" for someone at a polling place to help them fill out their ballot, then returned an hour later claiming not to speak english and having someone else as their 'translator' and tried to chain this a few times like they did with immigration fraud. They've also been caught going around Cedar Riverside just directly paying Somalis to vote.

Add up the sum of these lines and what do you get?
A state with a community that commits every type of fraud possible, a state that leaves the door totally open to voting fraud with no way to defend against it or vet it or prosecute it, examples where we've already peeled back the curtain and seen it happening. The answer I'm looking for is "Its ILLEGAL therefore it cannot be happening"

It’s a great conspiracy theory until you realize that nobody has found any proof of significant voter fraud in Minnesota. But why let facts get in the way of a good story.

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/voter-fraud-scheme-committee-hearing-minnesota/

Literally the first link I clicked from a 5 second Google search. Guessing it’s not the only case and that a couple attempts have been sucessful. If no one is checking IDs or if they issue IDs to illegals, no one is going to be prosecuted - which doesn’t make it right in the first place.