Quote (Handcuffs @ 20 Apr 2018 21:24)

Is that the case though? Wasn't there post-election results that showed that there really wasn't an increase in Republican turnout, but that there was a marked decline in Democratic turnout?

Trump didn't win because he inspired more people to vote Republican. It seemed like instead he won because Hillary was a lack-luster dynasty candidate that didn't energize left-leaning voters.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 20 2018 02:09pm)

the thing is: trump was the one talking about policy issues, he was the one with a popular agenda. he was the one with an economic message, he was the one talking about the drawbacks of free trade and deindustrialization, he was the one talking about immigration and security issues. anyone can feel free to disagree with trumps assessment of the situation and with the means he proposed to solve the issues, but this doesnt take away from the fact that he was talking policy all the time.

hillary, by contrast, spent most of her time talking about what a great step it would be for her women and feminism if she became the first female president, she was the one spending most of her time with personal attacks on her opponent, claiming he was all sorts of unfit for the office and yada yada yada, she was the one employing a neverending parade of celebrities and media figures to campaign on her behalf, to make up for her complete and total lack of charisma.

the truth is that, whether you like it or not, trump had a clear message on key policy issues that resonated with a sizeable portion of the electorate. clinton had no clear message, her policy proposals were bland and unpopular, they did not resonate with a lot of folks.

when you think back to the campaign, and I ask you to name two key policy talking points from both trump's and clinton's campain, what would your answer be?

for trump, it's "build the wall (= metaphor for 'restrict latino and third world immigration')" and "renegotiate nafta (or withdraw from it)".
for clinton, it's .... um..... I really cant remember anything.

Quote (IceMage @ 20 Apr 2018 21:27)

Selective hearing. I mean you guys can provide your revisionist perspective, but the idea that Trump was the policy wonk and Hillary was the mud slinger is just... honestly it's not even a good troll.

Go pull up any random Trump rally on youtube, and compare it with a Hillary rally. Let's look at the presidential debates and see which candidate showed an understanding of issues. This stuff is all online, you can view it again with a more objective lens now.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 20 2018 02:28pm)

my question still stands: can you name even two key policy proposals/talking points from clinton's campaign, ofc without looking it up?

Quote (IceMage @ 20 Apr 2018 21:30)

Do you think having easily digestible one liners is evidence that the candidate was more policy focused than the other?

Quote (IceMage @ 20 Apr 2018 21:30)

Do you think having easily digestible one liners is evidence that the candidate was more policy focused than the other?

Quote (ampoo @ Apr 20 2018 02:35pm)

one liners are better than nothing, thats the whole point

Quote (IceMage @ Apr 20 2018 03:30pm)

Do you think having easily digestible one liners is evidence that the candidate was more policy focused than the other?

Quote (IceMage @ Apr 20 2018 01:05pm)

Lol... man you've gone off the deep end.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 20 2018 01:28pm)

my question still stands: can you name even two key policy proposals/talking points from clinton's campaign, ofc without looking it up?

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 20 2018 01:59pm)

70% of her campaign spending was attack ads. Her entire campaign messaging was negative. Nobody can name any of her policies.

We've been over this on PARD like 500 times

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 20 2018 02:02pm)

apparently, you felt the need to dodge the limp noodle.