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Mar 13 2018 06:25pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 13 2018 05:19pm)
Aside from a mild comment about the tariffs, not a word.


He is the most vocal opponent of gun control. He explicitly said he's against tariffs. In the past he's been very vocal against the war on drugs, police brutality & other law enforcement related issues. I remember when the Syrian war was talked about him being against intervention. Your're either ignorant or purposefully being dishonest.

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He is the most vocal opponent of gun control. He explicitly said he's against tariffs. In the past he's been very vocal against the war on drugs, police brutality. I remember when the Syrian war was talked about him being against intervention. Your're either ignorant or purposefully being dishonest.


Has he done these things while Trump's been in office though? That's the million dollar question.

Quote (Santara @ Mar 13 2018 04:10pm)
And you've seen others attack the tariffs, preemptive war, firearms age at 21, military parades, Sessions' reigniting the War on Drugs where it's been legalized, expanded spending, civil asset forfeiture, & military buildups to name a few.


There's not much Trump criticism on the forums these days from typical Republican/Libertarian posters (you and IceMage excluded). Maybe it's just due to poster fatigue.
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Mar 13 2018 06:37pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 13 2018 05:30pm)
Has he done these things while Trump's been in office though? That's the million dollar question.



There's not much Trump criticism on the forums these days from typical Republican/Libertarian posters (you and IceMage excluded). Maybe it's just due to poster fatigue.


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=78272951&f=119&o=60

Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 5 2018 04:20pm)
It mostly involves reading a lot to become informed about protectionist myths that were shredded 2 and a half centuries ago.

Trading paper for a smorgasbord of goods is not an inherently bad thing as claimed.
Nor is importing more cars from a country like Germany a bad thing either. They specialize in making cars, they don't need to import as many.
How is it harming you if i buy a German car?

should you be concerned about your trade deficit when you go to the grocery store?
how about the trade deficit between states?
why or why not?

Most of the time successful economies will have a trade deficit, and struggling economies will have a surplus.

The GDP formula itself is trash and requires serious examination.
https://mises.org/library/how-gdp-metrics-distort-our-view-economy



Its far from just libertarians who have a decent grasp of the issue and don't think trade deficits are some crazy bad thing that need to be reduced by government
https://i.imgur.com/USoJCIL.png
"crazy assertion but plenty of people seem to believe this. to see the fallacy, note that banning imports would do it and would crush welfare"


...and this is coming from someone that disagreed with him in that thread regarding tariffs. I'm not going to sit here an ferret out all his posts because it's pointless. You guys shouldn't be misrepresenting his views and piling on.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 14 2018 11:37am)
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=78272951&f=119&o=60



...and this is coming from someone that disagreed with him in that thread regarding tariffs.


This is literally the one example i could find and already mentioned.
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Mar 13 2018 06:41pm
Quote (thundercock @ 14 Mar 2018 00:30)
Has he done these things while Trump's been in office though? That's the million dollar question.



There's not much Trump criticism on the forums these days from typical Republican/Libertarian posters (you and IceMage excluded). Maybe it's just due to poster fatigue.


Quite possibly. Say one thing bad about Trump and you're guaranteed about 3 pages of Trumpettes ranting about how 'libtards' are such 'cucks', Hillary and Obama are literally Hitler and Trump won so get over it etc. Hard to keep it up in the face of such fanatical idiocy tbh.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 13 2018 05:39pm)
This is literally the one example i could find and already mentioned.


You must suffer from dementia because when it comes to police brutality, guns, etc. he's constantly chiming in. Most honest regulars would agree.
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Mar 13 2018 06:46pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 14 2018 11:41am)
You must suffer from dementia because when it comes to police brutality, guns, etc. he's constantly chiming in. Most honest regulars would agree.


Trump has nothing to do with police brutality.
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Mar 13 2018 06:49pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 13 2018 07:30pm)
Has he done these things while Trump's been in office though? That's the million dollar question.



There's not much Trump criticism on the forums these days from typical Republican/Libertarian posters (you and IceMage excluded). Maybe it's just due to poster fatigue.


He's never really criticized Trump because Republicans have a hard time criticizing each other. Cam is a free trade Republican, not a libertarian. Libertarians criticize police violence against minorities and support women's reproductive rights...Cam has never done these things. He will say something stupid like BLM is a terrorist organization in a heartbeat instead of acknowledge that their concerns are valid and they are subject to a huge amount of slander by low information Breitbarters. That isn't libertarian at all. You can't hate the left and be a libertarian, because libertarian is half left.



And Yeah, its poster fatigue. No real reason to put real effort into the dialectic like the old days. Just call them a cuck and move on, especially garbage-tier posters like disembodied head and endlesscry.
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Mar 13 2018 06:50pm
I appreciate the comments ofthevoid and santara

Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 13 2018 07:39pm)
This is literally the one example i could find and already mentioned.


Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 2 2018 03:59am)
Tariffs are a shitty protectionist idea that benefits people in one industry at the expense of the general public.

This is a big problem with electing a cocky NY liberal turned populist republican as president instead of a firmly principled and more economically knowledgeable candidate like a Rand Paul.
Protectionism was one of the big issues i called him out on when he was talking about it during the election cycle and an issue i've been very vocal about in the past.

There is widespread sentiment and ignorance supporting protectionism and 'buy local' fallacies. They pass off junk like this as being 'pro-america' when its not.

...

Trump posturing and making dumb remarks about gun control and supporting measures to a much lesser extent than what the democrats want doesn't suddenly make the entire party worse on the issue than democrats, nor does it erase the countless debates i've had on here vs leftists who were supporting anti-libertarian positions.

Rather than the extreme hitler-like figure the left enjoys painting trump as, hes much more of a flaky moderate on the actual issues.


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also as otv said, i've been extremely vocal about opposing gun control. there are several recent threads you can choose from.

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Trump has nothing to do with police brutality.

You just got through saying santara was the only one attacking a variety of issues that were listed.
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Mar 13 2018 06:52pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 13 2018 07:46pm)
Trump has nothing to do with police brutality.

I agree, but I keep reading how it’s simply a result of the system or environment Donald has created
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