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Feb 14 2023 09:25am
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What does this have to do with the topic? It reads as a story where someone got murdered with no additional explanation regarding motives. if the killer shouted he (or she!) Is doing this in the name of jk rowling we might have a story here but otherwise I dont see the relevance.
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Feb 14 2023 09:33am
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What does this have to do with the topic? It reads as a story where someone got murdered with no additional explanation regarding motives. if the killer shouted he (or she!) Is doing this in the name of jk rowling we might have a story here but otherwise I dont see the relevance.


A trans person got bullied somewhere, see what they deal with!

Meanwhile we could pick any type of person and find a case where bullying lead to a death due to inaction by either parents, school or other.
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Feb 14 2023 09:51am
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A trans person got bullied somewhere, see what they deal with!

Meanwhile we could pick any type of person and find a case where bullying lead to a death due to inaction by either parents, school or other.


sure, being trans is hard, but have they ever tried being the pretty white horse girl in school?

https://nypost.com/2023/02/09/new-jersey-girl-14-takes-her-own-life-after-latest-attack/
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Quote (Jupe @ Feb 14 2023 06:41am)
^NetflixAdaptationWidow
:lol: I feel like we must just be looking at different information regarding a lot of this. I've seen critique towards studies justifying the low rate of detransitioners. The same with the medical treatment; studies point out there isn't enough information available to really determine what the consequences of how puberty blockers/hormone/surgery treatment turns out in the long-term or their overall success. These combined factors are the reason why Sweden is bucking the norm of 'affirmation treatment.'
Per one Sweden treatment facility:

:rofl: that gave me a hearty laugh, I actually remember listening to an Ezra Klein podcast where he interviewed a gender studies professor. He mentioned his son dressed up in a woman's dress to look 'pretty' like his mum. I bet that made conservatives seethe


In my opinion there's no reason for us to discuss what the appropriate treatment is. That's exclusively the domain of experts in the field and the patients being consulted by those experts. If Sweden is making the decision based on a good faith reading of the evidence, then that's fine as long as there's other treatment options available.

Something to point out though, is we do have evidence. It isn't the complete picture, but the evidence shows they help. We need to keep doing research, but that doesn't mean you ignore the research we already have done. It has to be the whole picture. We have expert groups for a reason. We should follow their opinions because THEY ARE THE ONES WHO KNOW THE MOST AND BASE THEIR DECISION ON EVIDENCE.

If Sweden is doing that, fine. If they aren't, they are wrong.

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In my opinion there's no reason for us to discuss what the appropriate treatment is. That's exclusively the domain of experts in the field and the patients being consulted by those experts. If Sweden is making the decision based on a good faith reading of the evidence, then that's fine as long as there's other treatment options available.

Something to point out though, is we do have evidence. It isn't the complete picture, but the evidence shows they help. We need to keep doing research, but that doesn't mean you ignore the research we already have done. It has to be the whole picture. We have expert groups for a reason. We should follow their opinions because THEY ARE THE ONES WHO KNOW THE MOST AND BASE THEIR DECISION ON EVIDENCE.

If Sweden is doing that, fine. If they aren't, they are wrong.


In 2015 there wasn't consensus for the medical treatment of children. Countries are abandoning (or restricting) the affirmative treatment plan because it precisely doesn't even have sufficient evidence, 8 years later, today! I guess you could say things are progressing exactly as they should and we have nothing else to discuss.
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Feb 15 2023 06:08pm
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In 2015 there wasn't consensus for the medical treatment of children. Countries are abandoning (or restricting) the affirmative treatment plan because it precisely doesn't even have sufficient evidence, 8 years later, today! I guess you could say things are progressing exactly as they should and we have nothing else to discuss.


More or less progressing in a positive direction. The only real issue is conservatives constantly turning it into a political issue, which sometimes results in those on the left over-correcting.

If everybody who isn't an expert just stopped caring about if somebody was trans, the world would be a better place. The only reason it's in the consciousness is because conservatives think they can turn it into a winning political issue by bashing trans kids.
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Feb 15 2023 10:37pm
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probably heinrich and little fella doing the dming on reddit. sad!
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Trans genocide? lol

Yeah because me buying a copy of Hogwarts Legacy is directly mind-controlling 2-5 trans people and forcing them to commit suicide.

This is definitely what sane and rational people believe.


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