It would inevitably have to happen without Russia. The US would have to step in or lose Allies.

That’s why I think someone else did it. Simply because the US would have to shoulder too much if they did it.

There are 4 culprits at the moment from my point of view. But this is a personal view.

1. USA / UK ( They are both tied together)
2. Russia
3. Poland
4. Ukraine

If China was so staunchly non-interventionist, then why are they supporting the side which is invading its neighbor?


Based on their treatment of the Uyghurs and any other kinds of domestic dissenters, based on their increasingly aggressive saber-rattling with regard to Taiwan, based on them strategically placing artificial islands in the South China sea and then claiming waters which actually belong to other countries, based on their surging investment in their military, based on their history of supporting murderous regimes like the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia or the Kims in North Korea, based on them flagrantly breaking their promises with regard to democracy and free press in Hong Kong and so on and forth.


German gas storages owned by Gazprom had a systematically lower filling level than those owned by anyone else. The buying on the spot market was a stupid idea and a self-inflicted wound, but it affected the market price we had to pay for our gas, not so much the distribution of said gas among the various storages.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 30 2022 01:50am

Honestly my list would be Russia or Ukraine with a weird twist of China. China has always manipulated situations behind the scenes and are very good and intelligent at it. That’s of course conspiracy. I truly believe it’s Russia but if it isn’t Ukraine would not surprise me one bit.

I can't comment on the German Gas storage part. However, this is just what I feel on your comments for China since I am based in Asia.
The above is just my two cents worth.

I can take China out of this. They need Europe a lot due to trade, most likely they won't do this.
But I can understand why you think it is China, but it is not in their interest.

They need the US too but regularly go against them. But without US consumerism China would decline fast. US having to find a way to export more gas? Where do you think all the pipeline materials would come from? Chinese metals.

This ofc is just conspiracy theory. I still believe it’s Russia.

This post was edited by MadMan87 on Sep 30 2022 02:10am

Ukraine doesn't have the capabilities. First 3 are the likely culprits.

Well just my personal point of view, but no proof that anyone that I mentioned did it.
I don't think we will ever find out, but we can throw stones and accuse, that is just how the world works.

Until a whistleblower come out we might never know.

That is the point, they want to lower US Consumerism and up their trade with Europe to cushion their reliance on the US Market and that is why the US wants to prevent this.
In the end, depending on situation , it is more likely EU will lean towards the US due to a myriad of reasons, but that could all change if EU decides to band together and have their own EU Army and follow their own foreign policy which I don't see it at the moment.
EU is too tied up with NATO.

The US will not allow NATO to disband and they will make sure they don't.