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May 28 2021 03:36pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 28 2021 05:12pm)
I see a system that doesnt allow a starving person to eat a piece of bread as unjust. This would be one of those unjust hierarchies, the ownership hierarchy, that anarchists think should be changed. If you make a basket and sell it that's just. If you have a million loaves of bread and somebody is starving from not having one then that is unjust.

Same with insulin. If insulin costs 50c to make and you sell it for 75c thats probably fine. If you charge 3k and hold their lives in your hand that isn't.


That would be 100% correct and valid point.



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May 28 2021 03:37pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 28 2021 05:12pm)
I see a system that doesnt allow a starving person to eat a piece of bread as unjust. This would be one of those unjust hierarchies, the ownership hierarchy, that anarchists think should be changed. If you make a basket and sell it that's just. If you have a million loaves of bread and somebody is starving from not having one then that is unjust.

Same with insulin. If insulin costs 50c to make and you sell it for 75c thats probably fine. If you charge 3k and hold their lives in your hand that isn't.


Im not sold on this anarchist anti ownership stuff. If i understand your pov its that people exist therefore society owes them a desirable baseline standard of living in lieu of having them suffer in destitution. The concept of ownership deprives people of resources that would otherwise allow them to improve their standard of living. Do i have it right?
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May 28 2021 03:46pm
The libertarian YouTubers who became Trump cultists basically performed theft on their audiences. We should tax them for it.

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Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ May 28 2021 11:30pm)
You got it.

The world should live on the same income. No jobs is more important than others.

Heck , people who entertain the mass are the most paid because you wouldn't comply with the system if your life was 100% work. It's their way to appease the slaves.

When there's women who make 300-400k a month for sitting in a hot tub in their bedroom, you know the world is a sad place and there's a bunch of losers enabling that.

Money mean nothing. Only your time worth something.


Isn't it beautiful thing or ugly depending on how you look at it? I for one see the Capitalism as Value allocation. Yes there are models who make 300k a month by what you might think isn't "hard/productive" work. Yet the market reflects a society which values those models. There are lonely simps out there who enable those models to exist by willingness to spend their money on such things. Are they being forced to spend that money by a mandated government laws or a gun to their head?
So one can see more clearly where the value lies in our society by looking at where the money is going.

The fed reserve bank is another beast because it prints promissory value without regulation or control of the majority. There are political institutions dictatorships and communist oligarchies through physical force its population to dictate value or rather manipulate it, instead of the free market place decide where it should go.

I would rather have a say with my dollar if I can't with a vote.
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May 28 2021 04:49pm
Quote (duffman316 @ May 29 2021 07:37am)
Im not sold on this anarchist anti ownership stuff. If i understand your pov its that people exist therefore society owes them a desirable baseline standard of living in lieu of having them suffer in destitution. The concept of ownership deprives people of resources that would otherwise allow them to improve their standard of living. Do i have it right?


That is how i see it, if the system works for 1% and exploits 99% the system is unjust and the 99% are justifiable in any efforts they make to get ahead be that theft, tax evasion or lying on a resume.
Billionaires are parasites draining the productivity of thousands for their own benefit, modern day vampires.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ May 28 2021 03:49pm)
That is how i see it, if the system works for 1% and exploits 99% the system is unjust and the 99% are justifiable in any efforts they make to get ahead be that theft, tax evasion or lying on a resume.
Billionaires are parasites draining the productivity of thousands for their own benefit, modern day vampires.


It's an extreme imbalance that also gets worse. We should not need to hope for more Bill Gates who decide to do philanthropy to give their wealth back (which I will give him kudos for) but rather force this distribution of wealth that has driver in mass inequality
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May 28 2021 05:11pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ May 28 2021 03:49pm)
That is how i see it, if the system works for 1% and exploits 99% the system is unjust and the 99% are justifiable in any efforts they make to get ahead be that theft, tax evasion or lying on a resume.
Billionaires are parasites draining the productivity of thousands for their own benefit, modern day vampires.


they may be holding us back but it's hard for me to care when living standards are so high in this era of modern civilization
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Quote (duffman316 @ May 28 2021 04:37pm)
Im not sold on this anarchist anti ownership stuff. If i understand your pov its that people exist therefore society owes them a desirable baseline standard of living in lieu of having them suffer in destitution. The concept of ownership deprives people of resources that would otherwise allow them to improve their standard of living. Do i have it right?


I dont think not starving counts as a desirable baseline. If anything I would say that's the absolute minimum.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 28 2021 05:13pm
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May 28 2021 05:27pm
Quote (Crunkt @ May 28 2021 04:57pm)
just self incorporate and get better at writing off expenses like us normal folk.


>go to hawaii and go to a 15 minute business meeting
>write it off on your taxes

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May 28 2021 05:29pm
Quote (proccy @ May 29 2021 09:11am)
they may be holding us back but it's hard for me to care when living standards are so high in this era of modern civilization


The guy and dog living outside my local supermarket disagree, he got evicted because his landlords insurance doubled after a hailstorm and he couldn't afford a $40 per week rent hike.
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