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Quote (duffman316 @ 24 Sep 2020 22:34)
i like his voice, it's funny ^_^

hes a dweeb. very intelligent but a total dweeb and so blatant in his slant but at least he’s honest about it
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Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 24 2020 10:07pm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbqeBQZCxE0


6:44 "they had no legal obligation to identify themselves as police, you may not like no-knock warrants but this is a legal procedure"

So this seems to be the main source of confusion for me. I realize that wikipedia isn't a source, but wiki says: " In most cases, law enforcement will identify themselves just before they forcefully enter the property." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant)

How do I track down the truth of this matter? I assume it varies by jurisdiction, but where can I find a definitive source that will show whether it constitutes a crime for the cops to fail to identify themselves?
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Sep 24 2020 08:58pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Sep 24 2020 07:56pm)
6:44 "they had no legal obligation to identify themselves as police, you may not like no-knock warrants but this is a legal procedure"

So this seems to be the main source of confusion for me. I realize that wikipedia isn't a source, but wiki says: " In most cases, law enforcement will identify themselves just before they forcefully enter the property." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant)

How do I track down the truth of this matter? I assume it varies by jurisdiction, but where can I find a definitive source that will show whether it constitutes a crime for the cops to fail to identify themselves?

imagine being so cucked you care if it's legal or not lmao
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Sep 24 2020 07:49pm)
Never listened to him before, how does he have a platform?
His voice is like having cancer again.


What do you mean "how does he have a platform"? He owns a conservative news outlet. Quite literally owns. He has a platform because he built the platform, and enough people disagree with your opinion that he's made himself a millionaire in doing so.

What a strange question.

Ben Shapiro is incredibly quick and intelligent. I disagree with him on many points, on others I agree, as with most people. But questioning how he has a platform says you probably should do a quick google search of him.

Quote (Kayeto @ Sep 24 2020 07:56pm)
6:44 "they had no legal obligation to identify themselves as police, you may not like no-knock warrants but this is a legal procedure"

So this seems to be the main source of confusion for me. I realize that wikipedia isn't a source, but wiki says: " In most cases, law enforcement will identify themselves just before they forcefully enter the property." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant)

How do I track down the truth of this matter? I assume it varies by jurisdiction, but where can I find a definitive source that will show whether it constitutes a crime for the cops to fail to identify themselves?


By definition a no-knock warrant allows police to enter without seeking permission or identifying themselves. Hence the "No-knock" in the description of the warrant.

There's a TON of people (myself included) who have massive issue with the use of no-knock warrants in any but the most extreme cases. But yeah, it's literally in the name of the warrant, and does not vary by jurisdiction that I can tell.

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Quote (Plaguefear @ Sep 24 2020 10:49pm)
Never listened to him before, how does he have a platform?
His voice is like having cancer again.


i have a platform

why not him :o
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Quote (Kayeto @ Sep 24 2020 07:56pm)
6:44 "they had no legal obligation to identify themselves as police, you may not like no-knock warrants but this is a legal procedure"

So this seems to be the main source of confusion for me. I realize that wikipedia isn't a source, but wiki says: " In most cases, law enforcement will identify themselves just before they forcefully enter the property." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant)

How do I track down the truth of this matter? I assume it varies by jurisdiction, but where can I find a definitive source that will show whether it constitutes a crime for the cops to fail to identify themselves?


a no knock warrant means they are going to storm the residence, majority of time using devices like flash bangs or sound weapons. The idea is to disorient the occupants before they realize what is even happening

If this was a no knock, it was executed horribly. And I hope not because they knew it was "just the girlfriend's apartment"



yes, i'm inferring that if the no-knock were executed properly, Breonna would still be alive.

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Quote (Kayeto @ Sep 24 2020 09:56pm)
6:44 "they had no legal obligation to identify themselves as police, you may not like no-knock warrants but this is a legal procedure"

So this seems to be the main source of confusion for me. I realize that wikipedia isn't a source, but wiki says: " In most cases, law enforcement will identify themselves just before they forcefully enter the property." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant)

How do I track down the truth of this matter? I assume it varies by jurisdiction, but where can I find a definitive source that will show whether it constitutes a crime for the cops to fail to identify themselves?


Probably have to start looking at Kentucky law and police procedures.

I'm sure Ben is right and I don't think that's necessarily true if they fail to identify themselves (esp if they're in uniform, though they may have been plainclothes in this situation), but it probably brings on more legal burden or another hurdle for the defense to have to cover -- and another plausible attack for the prosecution.

I guess I can't comment a ton but it's been declared that they had announced regardless in this situation. Still, would be interesting and worth looking into.

I admire the intellectual curiosity, logic, and rational thinking.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Sep 24 2020 09:04pm
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Quote (proccy @ Sep 24 2020 08:00pm)
a no knock warrant means they are going to storm the residence, majority of time using devices like flash bangs or sound weapons. The idea is to disorient the occupants before they realize what is even happening

If this was a no knock, it was executed horribly. And I hope not because they knew it was "just the girlfriend's apartment"


Some of the reporting I've seen indicates it was indeed due to being "the girlfriend's apartment". I sincerely hope that reporting's wrong.

Forgetting the legal validity of the warrant for a moment, the warrant was issued for a reason. Not carrying out the warrant on the terms of the warrant (no-knock) and instead giving an opportunity for a firefight could open up it's own case of negligence resulting in loss of life. Not being a lawyer, you'd have to ask much more specialized folks than I about the specifics of pushing such a case, but yeah.

Edit: Note that Ben Shapiro is a lawyer. His take on the legality of no-knock warrants is pretty trustworthy.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Sep 24 2020 09:06pm
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Sep 24 2020 09:10pm
CNN actually shockingly has what appears to be a good article on it all from back in July (courtesy of Tim Pool) for showing it.

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We kept banging'
Hours after Shaw signed the warrants, police began the operation, conducting near-simultaneous raids at the various locations.

Taylor's apartment, according to police, was considered a less volatile, "soft target." As such, police commanders decided in advance to have officers knock and announce their presence before entry. That decision was communicated in a pre-operational briefing, according to a source familiar with the details of the operation who requested anonymity due to the ongoing investigation.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/us/breonna-taylor-police-shooting-invs/index.html


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Sep 24 2020 09:14pm
Good video of it.

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