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Aug 26 2020 11:54am
Anyone who thinks "insurance will cover it it won't matter if we destroy this " should automatically have all their shit destroyed to see that "it doesn't matter"

Propery insurance for corporations is sky high and climbing right now. I deal with it nearly weekly. Premiums are out of control.

Ignorant morons.
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Aug 26 2020 11:54am
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If you think this is "just about unjustified police shootings" then you aren't paying attention. I'm not trying to COMPARE injustice, I'm just pointing out that change is often violent and this rosy picture of people peacefully marching and enacting massive change is extraordinarily rare.

I 100% agree with you on accountability for wrongs and body cameras. There is still A LOT of resistance to that. Obviously, the most egregious death is Breonna Taylor and there is STILL no accountability. There's quite a bit of work to do still.


The accountability is no-knock-warrants being reconsidered and no longer allowed. Low level pleb enforcers following protocol that in certain situations proves flawed imo aren't to blame. I mean put yourself in a cops shoes in that moment. You're executing a warrant. Someone shoots at you, what's your response?

Like this is just another example of how there isn't this great conspiracy of racist targeting but accidents coming from fumbled execution in split second decisions. If the standard is accidents are not allowed to happen ever in a country of 340m then we're truly fucked and no amount of change is going to save us.

Quote (SBD @ Aug 26 2020 01:54pm)
Anyone who thinks "insurance will cover it it won't matter if we destroy this " should automatically have all their shit destroyed to see that "it doesn't matter"

Propery insurance for corporations is sky high and climbing right now. I deal with it nearly weekly. Premiums are out of control.

Ignorant morons.


Yeah it's a trash argument. Insurance companies are just going to adjust their risk models and pass on the costs to Target who in turn will pass on the costs to consumers. People who hold that opinion are dumbasses.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Aug 26 2020 11:55am
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Aug 26 2020 11:56am
Quote (thundercock @ Aug 26 2020 07:43pm)
If you think this is "just about unjustified police shootings" then you aren't paying attention. I'm not trying to COMPARE injustice, I'm just pointing out that change is often violent and this rosy picture of people peacefully marching and enacting massive change is extraordinarily rare.

I 100% agree with you on accountability for wrongs and body cameras. There is still A LOT of resistance to that. Obviously, the most egregious death is Breonna Taylor and there is STILL no accountability. There's quite a bit of work to do still.


Philando Castile was pretty awful too.

Also Daniel Shaver.
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Aug 26 2020 11:57am
Quote (SBD @ 26 Aug 2020 13:54)
Anyone who thinks "insurance will cover it it won't matter if we destroy this " should automatically have all their shit destroyed to see that "it doesn't matter"

Propery insurance for corporations is sky high and climbing right now. I deal with it nearly weekly. Premiums are out of control.

Ignorant morons.



well said, but do you think peaceful protesters and bread-seekers are informed with how insurance works?

in Minneapolis these peaceful protestors sacked a Muslim’s family store and a couple were screeching about insurance payouts. the gentleman who owned it informed the folks who were just looking for bread that it was a small family store, and he didn’t have business insurance or any bread for taking sale there. they all had a look like he was speaking Farsi or something

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He was clearly acting in self-defense in the shots that were filmed.


And yet here we go with the legal drama unfurling as the (liberal) prosecutor charges him with two counts of first degree murder, and presumably will try to throw in a 1st degree assault charge for disarming the gunman
So now indeed we've got the crux of a legal argument coming down to whether a person can legally defend property from a violent mob when the police stand down and let the rioters attack innocent people.
Will a state claim that its exclusive jurisdiction over keeping the peace and monopoly on law enforcement precludes vigilantism even when the state has clearly and completely failed and left its people at the mercy of a mob?

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 26 2020 12:04pm
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Aug 26 2020 12:10pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1298671449968959490

>We will NOT stand for looting, arson, violence, and lawlessness on American streets. My team just got off the phone with Governor Evers who agreed to accept federal assistance (Portland should do the same!)...
>...TODAY, I will be sending federal law enforcement and the National Guard to Kenosha, WI to restore LAW and ORDER!
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Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 26 2020 02:10pm)
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1298671449968959490

>We will NOT stand for looting, arson, violence, and lawlessness on American streets. My team just got off the phone with Governor Evers who agreed to accept federal assistance (Portland should do the same!)...
>...TODAY, I will be sending federal law enforcement and the National Guard to Kenosha, WI to restore LAW and ORDER!


Welp there goes Wisconsin to Trump in November.
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Aug 26 2020 12:15pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 26 2020 10:54am)
The accountability is no-knock-warrants being reconsidered and no longer allowed. Low level pleb enforcers following protocol that in certain situations proves flawed imo aren't to blame. I mean put yourself in a cops shoes in that moment. You're executing a warrant. Someone shoots at you, what's your response?

Like this is just another example of how there isn't this great conspiracy of racist targeting but accidents coming from fumbled execution in split second decisions. If the standard is accidents are not allowed to happen ever in a country of 340m then we're truly fucked and no amount of change is going to save us.


That's some accountability, yes. One officer was fired (probably because he was a terrible shot and hit someone who wasn't anywhere near the person shooting) and no-knock warrants are no longer a thing. But here is the problem: the police report said that Breonna Taylor had ZERO injuries and that police did not force their way into the home (despite using a battering ram). I think we can all agree that accidents can and will happen. What you can't have is our institutions that we place immense trust in, LIE to cover their ass. The lying aspect is systemic throughout the country and it obviously affects black people more. We can't say, "well no-knock warrants are gone, we're done!" There needs to be SERIOUS consequences for public servants who lie.

Also, keep in mind that she died back in March. If this thing didn't make national news, it's quite possible that there would have been zero accountability as opposed to some. Look, America is fucking awesome but we have some really ugly history in our country. Are we doing better than most? I'd like to think so. But we can't be afraid to call out the corruption and racism (direct or indirect) that exists in the system.
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Aug 26 2020 12:17pm
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Welp there goes Wisconsin to Trump in November.


In a related note, multiple democratic pundits and strategists have been citing new polling data from after the convention showing the democrat's weakness on the riots, which has been kept secret and they refuse to publish publicly.
Apparently their internal numbers are so bad they don't want people to know how bad it is
rasmussen calling them out on their BS:
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1298550273921691653
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Aug 26 2020 12:18pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 26 2020 12:30pm)
You do have to be 18 to carry it in Wisconsin.
These are all mostly irrelevant, much lower counts compared to the laughably inapplicable first degree murder charge the liberal DA just threw at him
malice aforethought = being chased by people armed with guns while you run towards police


http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60

He's screwed, and so is the person who lent it to him.
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