I think his can of Monster White Guilt will work fine to wash down his shame, and the caffeine helps him stay awoke.

The funny thing about this is that I agree that cancel culture is bad but I also am not stupid enough to take the bait from right wingers because right wingers act like the libs created it when the right does it to people even more often than the left. If the right was saying “cancel culture is bad and we’re sorry for all the canceling we’ve done” then we’d perhaps be having a different conversation.

I can agree that it's a problem on the right as well. So many people got upset over the NFL and the anthem and it's like...how often is the anthem even played on TV? Right wingers get but hurt over Starbucks and fag colored oreos. Who fucking cares!!??

i mean right wingers dont even want to stop it, but you're right they do want to attribute it falsely to the left. this from the people where if u get divorced you're no longer a member of their church, but can come back to get nasty looks and fill the donation cup. from the people who ostracized a generation of sons for daring to like boys instead of girls. running journalists out of the industry for centuries. etc

everyone likes cancelling people, shit i'd feel happy if they fired the kid at mcdonalds in front of me just for forgetting my pickles, but the internet turned an occasional weekend blow snorting habit into injecting 5 times a day.

I think it depends on the target. I really couldn't care less about Kevin Hart not getting to host the Oscars. He's still getting movies, a multi-millionaire, still getting jobs, etc. etc. Whatever, he's got ten lifetimes of income already.

When a "normal person" gets cancelled and it is a significant career setback for their only mode of income, I'm a lot more sympathetic as long as they didn't do something beyond the pale like shout racial slurs at a full dining room and get filmed doing it, or donate a bunch of money to organizations dedicated to removing rights from certain groups of people.

i tend to shy away from binaries in this sense, because it's problematic to me. firstly, because im fine generally with the "well they're rich so w/e" narratives until it affects me. until its a show i care about, or an actor i care about, then i find myself being hypocritical, so i just dont apply that binary. also seeing how many people in hollywood are less rich than we think i try not to just call them millionaires and then not care, firstly because they might not have generational built wealth to fall back on and retire, and secondly because they have teams of people who rely on their career that are now out of a job, gotta feel bad for Chris De'leia's make up guy even if Chris is an ass.

but in regular life many people aren't getting cancelled, not because we cured racism, but because we've hushed it. that's progress, but it also incurs wrath when people teach that pent up hate to their kids or just find more insulated communities to spew it in. progress, but deceivingly small progress imo. i know i have friends where we get at dinner parties and then once you leave you get "i didnt wanna say anything but i totally agree" and im sure the other person gets the same. we're hushing ourselves because 200 years ago a tiny percent of people with skin like ours owned slaves and because hollywood creeps raped women. its all a bit silly.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jul 13 2020 01:38pm

A quick fact correction, about 30% of the southern population owned slaves. It was a significant thing in a lot of southern families even if most of the slaves owned was by plantation owners, and even if most people didn't own slaves 100% of them benefited from the comparative advantage (reduced competition, greater political influence, etc.) afterwards.

I think that we've made progress because people are now shunted to less formal groups instead of groups with specific leadership like was in the recent past. Instead of making a formal group and giving orders they have to maintain a looser connection without personal knowledge of other "members". It makes it a lot easier to leave groups and harder to take action as a hate group. I think "hushing" racism is a good long-term goal because this is the result and it will mostly die as people fall away from those radical groups and as the older members die off.

Whats the spoon for

what comparative advantage did my family have tho lol? poor as dutch and irish, homesteads in the free states of Illinois and Iowa. never lived within 1,000 miles of a slave. worked hard on farms and passed down land instead of money.

if your family owned slaves then sure, time to apologize. but collective guilt for whites as a people for slavery is stupid. even of the 30% in the south most weren't plantation owners, shop keepers etc had 1 or so slaves. also wrong, but when we invoke plantation imagery in talks about white racism its theater not history.

why make that distinction you mat ask, because we're talking about reparations and other extreme measures. want reparations? sieze plantation property and wealth, leave my 1 acre in wisconsin alone. leave our 300 acres in illinois alone. go down to south carolina and fuck those people out of their homes with a sharp broom stick for all i care.

on the last note i 100% disagree on the hushing vs open conversation. i think we're just going to prolong it, and most racism fighters seem to agree with their narratives of "having hard talks". the problem is those hard talks lead to questions being called racists, or hard talks become hard talking to's where you're ranted at not listened to. the internet could have been a tool to cure racism, but so far this aint it. we're just digging trenches. and with how shitty world govts are on tracking people anon corners will continue to exist and grow, so racists will continue to have an outlet.

For slavery? Probably. However, the country as a whole benefited from it and it's our collective sin. The country as a whole let systematic and systemic racism to fester for decades after. None of my ancestors were around for slavery because they were trash whites (Irish and Italian) who came to America in the late 1800s/early 1900s. However, their hurdles were much easier to overcome.

I'm 100% with you on social media not helping.