How can you say that when the turnout patterns we have just seen on Super Tuesday indicate the exact opposite: Bernie's own turnout lacking and a lot of people from the other side turning out specifically to stop Bernie?


I get the point you two are making, just to make that clear. I just dont think it's as black and white as you suggest.





That's pure theory though. The U.S. has traditionally low turnout levels. In 2016, your presidential election had a turnout of 55%, and the 50% turnout you had in the 2018 midterms was considered skyhigh, midterms usually are in the 40 range.
So an overall turnout much higher than 30% is completely unrealistic for primary races in early March; and the realistic ceiling should be lower than that for low turnout demographics like millennials or latinos.

As I explained above, I believe that even 20% millennial turnout wouldnt have been enough for Bernie to clinch the nomination. And those 20% would be more than 1.5 times higher than the 13% that he got.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 6 2020 12:56pm

it's not pure theory. those people exist, a higher percent vote in general elections, and even there that number fluctuates from race to race. now sure, in reality a very real % couldnt be enticed to vote short of threatening them with jail, and even then a tiny % would resist. but its not a question of if they can be made to vote, its what measures would make them vote. Bernie thought he had the recipe, aka social media hype, but he was wrong.

Higher turnout from his base was certainly a realistic possibility. I dont dispute that. But the super high (for a primary) turnout levels he would have needed to overcome an anti-Sanders backlash were never realistic.

never realistic is a great slogan for Bernie's campaign!

problem for him is
that
all of those fucking stoners that go hard for him year round they completely flop when it comes to voting day
flakes
stoners
unreliable cancers tbh and i know he now hates them all because of how crappy they really are and he sees it now too

he should spend some of his half billion dollars in contributions into making bong parties outside of voting locations. and cheeseburgers.
if blumpkinberg can spend 10k per vote of his own money and not have a good showing, i'm sure bernie can spend $2.95 of your money and host the milkshake that brings people to the yard.

Well, Bernie got obliterated again. According to the Green Papers, there are 1755 delegates left (some of those are from TODAY so it's actually less). Biden has 1178 and Bernie has 884.

Biden needs 812 to clinch the nomination which is 46% of the delegates.
Bernie needs 1106 which is 63% of the delegates.
Everyone else is mathematically eliminated.

I feel like it's time for Bernie to kiss the ring since the next big contest is in late April but I imagine his supporters want to continue to waste money.

They want to continue to show the party establishment and the rest of the world how strong they are. Getting bitchslapped will achieve the exact opposite though, so yeah, time to admit defeat and quit.

They have won the ideological argument though I heard Bernie say it himself. I can't remember where I heard that same thing recently after a crushing defeat...

Truth be told, they have only won the ideological argument if Biden defeats Trump in November. If he doesnt, the blamegame between progressives (wanting to go even further left) and the party establishment (wanting to reverse the leftward shift of recent years) will tear the party apart.