Quote (excellence @ Jan 4 2020 06:39pm)

his hot-take is made even more hilarious because he's attempting to make this about 'black and brown people' when he's the palest pastiest privileged lefty of his generation, and much of Iran is made up of ethnic Caucasians :rofl:

hey maybe he heard of the Iran football team and thought this would be a good way to score a tryout. of course he wouldn't know there's a difference between American Football and Football in the rest of the world :lol:

Quote (fender @ Jan 4 2020 05:44pm)

i bet you don't even realise how mindblowingly hypocritical that is, considering iran is actually a regional power, whereas the US is an occupying force that has no business "expanding their military power and influence in the region", but does it anyway...

also, if you're a warmongering honourless scumbag, you can always just renege on deals. as long as there is nothing that physically prevents trump from doing that (like reasonably steep stairs, or a glass floor that only holds 250 lbs), there is nothing that could have been put in there to prevent that. it's just the nature of the power imbalance between the two countries. nice try blaming obama for trump's shitty behaviour though, i almost thought you people had given up on the 'thanks, obama' meme...



inb4 pivot away from what's 'justified' and 'appropriate' to ignorantly and proudly claiming "we do it because we can" - which is exactly my point, america is not the good guy in this. obviously iran's theocratic dictatorship is neither, but that just makes it two scum nations fighting it out, and not 'good vs. evil' which hilariously still seems to be the prevailing narrative in the US...

Quote (krackprophet @ 4 Jan 2020 19:10)

We are not an occupying force in Iraq. We are there with the Iraqi government's ok.

Obama did not go through congress for the Iran deal. You make a treaty with 2/3 senate support it becomes law. He made a treaty that any president could strike down with a stroke of the pen at any time.

Quote (krackprophet @ 5 Jan 2020 01:10)

We are not an occupying force in Iraq. We are there with the Iraqi government's ok.

Obama did not go through congress for the Iran deal. You make a treaty with 2/3 senate support it becomes law. He made a treaty that any president could strike down with a stroke of the pen at any time.

Quote (fender @ Jan 4 2020 06:22pm)

that's hilarious. so if you break into someone's home, kill the homeowner and let you friend move in, you're then not an intruder when your buddy says you can stay? that's some solid fucking logic right there...

as to the second part: wrong. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/05/09/if-the-iran-deal-had-been-a-senate-confirmed-treaty-would-trump-have-been-forced-to-stay-in-nope/


again, an honourless scumbag like trump can always just renege on such deals and do what his donors want him to do: don't seek a better deal (which he couldn't negotiate anyway, because he is entirely incompetent), but pressure them into a military conflict - ideally in a way that looks like we are the good guys to make it more popular and not as costly politically...

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The question went to the Supreme Court — which refused to comment on the merits. It effectively dismissed the case, holding that the question was a political question beyond the court’s capacity. Justice Lewis Powell’s concurring opinion noted that such a case might be justiciable someday — but at present “it cannot be said that either the Senate or the House has rejected the President’s claim. If the Congress chooses not to confront the President, it is not our task to do so.”

With no such confrontation in sight, the D.C. District Court took the same stance in 2002. The House members’ suit was set aside both because its members had no standing to sue and because they could not be said to speak for Congress. “Since President Bush announced his intention to withdraw from the ABM Treaty, neither the House nor Congress has made any attempt whatsoever to register disapproval as a body, or to insist on a role in the termination of the Treaty.”

Quote (krackprophet @ 5 Jan 2020 01:31)

Read your own article ffs.

Quote (fender @ Jan 4 2020 06:35pm)

i did, and unlike you i actually understood what it said. going through congress (which would not have been receptive to a reasonable deal anyway, thanks to GOP obstruction) would NOT have protected the deal from trump's incompetence and warmongering. l2r maybe...

Quote (fender @ Jan 4 2020 06:35pm)

i did, and unlike you i actually understood what it said. going through congress (which would not have been receptive to a reasonable deal anyway, thanks to GOP obstruction) would NOT have protected the deal from trump's incompetence and warmongering. l2r maybe...