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Nov 8 2019 12:52pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 8 2019 01:41pm)
just as the founding fathers intended.


I mean, in the beginning each administration would simply clean house and restart with loyalists as a form of both control and reward, so I think that's unlikely to be true.
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Nov 8 2019 01:16pm
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I mean, in the beginning each administration would simply clean house and restart with loyalists as a form of both control and reward, so I think that's unlikely to be true.


The problem with that is the dipshits in flyover country who voted Trump in don't have the necessary experience and expertise to be in government. So he's stuck with mainstream Republicans.

Also, I don't know how any serious person can look at the last few years and think that more Trump loyalists would be a good thing. Anyone who read section 2 of the Mueller report can see that Trump is a man who needs to be contained. If people around him did everything he asked them to, he'd probably already be impeached by now.

If John Kelly were still Chief of Staff this Ukraine thing probably wouldn't have even happened. But we're supposed to pretend the deep state is at fault here, not the moron in the oval office.
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Nov 8 2019 01:28pm
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The problem with that is the dipshits in flyover country who voted Trump in don't have the necessary experience and expertise to be in government. So he's stuck with mainstream Republicans.

Also, I don't know how any serious person can look at the last few years and think that more Trump loyalists would be a good thing. Anyone who read section 2 of the Mueller report can see that Trump is a man who needs to be contained. If people around him did everything he asked them to, he'd probably already be impeached by now.

If John Kelly were still Chief of Staff this Ukraine thing probably wouldn't have even happened. But we're supposed to pretend the deep state is at fault here, not the moron in the oval office.


Hey man, don't write off how many times he's been saved by incompetence. Who was it that only dismissed an email to work with Russia because they thought it was a bodybuilder? Or the fact that Jared didn't meet the definition for criminal collusion (or whatever the charge is) because he legitimately didn't know what was legal or not legal.
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Nov 8 2019 01:53pm
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I mean, in the beginning each administration would simply clean house and restart with loyalists as a form of both control and reward, so I think that's unlikely to be true.


the founding fathers intended for the legislature to be pretty much the only check on power in real time to the president. is what i meant.
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Nov 8 2019 07:18pm
Quote (IceMage @ 8 Nov 2019 14:16)
The problem with that is the dipshits in flyover country who voted Trump in don't have the necessary experience and expertise to be in government.


Quote (Thor123422 @ 8 Nov 2019 14:28)
Hey man, don't write off how many times he's been saved by incompetence.

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81747604&f=119&p=551210768

Quote (excellence @ 7 Nov 2019 14:56)
yeah Democrats never insult 'flyover' country or the south or even many suburbs. never insult them either. then their party's candidate for 2016 didn't bother campaigning there at all




*LAUGH OUT LOUD*
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Nov 8 2019 08:34pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/business/facebook-breitbart-whistleblower.html?emc=rss&partner=rss

Facebook is doubling down and making it policy to censor all mention of Eric Ciaramella's name by purging links to news articles that mention him

We're really in an unprecedented time where the mainstream media and social media titans are working to suppress information that is already in the public sphere for political purposes. There were conflicted journalists in days past who weighed their duty to inform the public and the responsibility to keep safe sources and secret information that could expose people, and kept silent. But unlike that calculation, the cat's already out of the bag on this one. Unlike every previous 'secret information' story that journalists just accepted was public-once-its-public and blasted onto the airwaves, they're trying to stamp it out and put out the fire like they don't even know what the Streisand Effect is.

There are people being paid right now to manually review social media posts and delete them if they post Eric Ciaramella's name. The big brother moderators working for facebook at least.
What a time to be alive.
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Nov 9 2019 12:24am
https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/11/08/abc-insider-why-i-alone-released-the-amy-robach-epstein-tape/

the whistleblower at ABC who leaked the Amy Robach tape is coming forward with an essay explaining her actions

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Editors Note: Project Veritas is publishing the writing below at the request of the ABC news insider who gave us the Amy Robach tape.

This was submitted to us in light of the actions taken against those wrongfully identified as involved in the leaking of the tape and the reactions of ABC news to their spiking of the story on Jeffrey Epstein.



By Ignotus,

To my fellow man:

I came forward with this information bearing no motives other than to have this information public. I did not and do not seek any personal gain from this information whether it be financial or otherwise and will always decline. When I became aware of this moment, I had the same reaction as many of you did. Anger, confusion and sadness. I care not about petty political quarrels and only hope for the best in all of us.

To my fellow ABC News employees:

I’ve walked the halls experiencing similar feelings we are all having right now. All of you regardless of your own personal differences in one form or another do an outstanding job. I sincerely enjoy working with each and every one of you and will continue to do so throughout our careers.

To those wrongfully accused:

It is terrible that you have been lashed out at by the company. I know some may put the burden of guilt on me, but my conscience is clear. The actions of the company towards you are the result of their own and not anyone else. The public outcry, from coast to coast, of all people, creeds, and political affiliations, is clear. I have not one doubt that there will always be support for you, and you will have prosperous careers. For neither you, nor I, have done anything wrong.

To Amy Robach:

You are the only person deserving of an apology. I am most certainly sorry. Not for my actions or for this to center around you, but for what is clear to have happened. When I first stumbled across this, my initial reaction was outrage. But this soon turned towards empathy. I can not imagine doing all the hard work to only have it shelved. If the past few years have taught us anything, it is the truth that some of us have endured many hardships in this industry. From the spiking of stories regarding prominent and powerful people in this world, and to yours. I believe you are an outstanding reporter and have done such tremendous work in the community as well.

To ABC News:

I sit right here with you all in complete shock. I, like many, are at a loss for words on how this has been handled. Instead of addressing this head-on like the company has in the past, it has spun into a mission of seek-and-destroy. Innocent people that have absolutely nothing to do with this are being hunted down as if we are all a sport. I challenge all of you to actually look inwards and remember why this company engages in journalism. We all hold the First Amendment at the foundation of this company, yet forget its history, its purpose, and its reasoning for even coming into existence to begin with. How lost we are… yearning to be found. I went to Project Veritas for the sole reason that any other media outlet else would have probably shelved this as well. I thank all of them, and James, for seeking truth.

We are all human and mortal, creatures of mistakes and redemption.

The road to redemption favors no soul.

Sincerely,

Ignotus
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Nov 9 2019 12:52am
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Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 8 2019 06:34pm)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/business/facebook-breitbart-whistleblower.html?emc=rss&partner=rss

Facebook is doubling down and making it policy to censor all mention of Eric Ciaramella's name by purging links to news articles that mention him

We're really in an unprecedented time where the mainstream media and social media titans are working to suppress information that is already in the public sphere for political purposes. There were conflicted journalists in days past who weighed their duty to inform the public and the responsibility to keep safe sources and secret information that could expose people, and kept silent. But unlike that calculation, the cat's already out of the bag on this one. Unlike every previous 'secret information' story that journalists just accepted was public-once-its-public and blasted onto the airwaves, they're trying to stamp it out and put out the fire like they don't even know what the Streisand Effect is.

There are people being paid right now to manually review social media posts and delete them if they post Eric Ciaramella's name. The big brother moderators working for facebook at least.
What a time to be alive.


I don't really see a problem with it. The NY Times knows who "Anonymous" is and they've kept quiet. Also, Congress censored the whistle-blower's name if you read the Vindman transcript so it's not like it's unusual.

IMO, this is responsible journalism. It's no different than suppressing the name of a mass shooter. Media are just doing a cost benefit analysis and most outlets determined that there's no public benefit to releasing his name. The only outlets that are publishing his name are doing so because they want to disparage the whistle-blower. I'd venture to say that some extremists WANT him to be harmed.
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Nov 9 2019 02:25pm
Quote (thundercock @ Nov 10 2019 07:06am)
I don't really see a problem with it. The NY Times knows who "Anonymous" is and they've kept quiet. Also, Congress censored the whistle-blower's name if you read the Vindman transcript so it's not like it's unusual.

IMO, this is responsible journalism. It's no different than suppressing the name of a mass shooter. Media are just doing a cost benefit analysis and most outlets determined that there's no public benefit to releasing his name. The only outlets that are publishing his name are doing so because they want to disparage the whistle-blower. I'd venture to say that some extremists WANT him to be harmed.


I agree.
Saying "This whistleblower who should be protected is outed so lets just throw all our ethics out" is pretty bad journalism.
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