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Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 12 2018 03:08pm)
tbh i was going to inb4 his entire simplifies worldview before bitch widow woke up from his nap. but never got around to it and swerved into a convo with Black.

conversely what's there for China to be happy with? lol



I explained it to you 3 times. You'll just have to understand it on your own.
Is this supposed to be proof that there in fact IS a debate.


Here goes #4...

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China, North Korea’s most important economic and diplomatic supporter despite its anger at Pyongyang’s nuclear and missile tests, wasted little time with a reminder that U.N. sanctions could be adjusted if North Korea behaved itself.



Now I realize that I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here. I assume you understand English. I assume you can see the implications in the quoted statement.

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Quote (Ghot @ Jun 12 2018 01:13pm)
I explained it to you 3 times. You'll just have to understand it on your own.
Is this supposed to be proof that there in fact IS a debate.


Here goes #4...




Now I realize that I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here. I assume you understand English. I assume you can see the implications in the quoted statement.


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because i unlike you am able to understand the nuanced relationship between China being simultaneously happy that NK may be opening as a trade partner if the UN sanctions get lifted and unhappy at increased presence by the US in the region. i'm also smart enough to take it a step further and realize they would only logically vocalize their happiness, and not their unhappiness, because of the optics of being against denuclearization in any way.


To which you respond that missiles wont get in NK, even if kim allows it, "because china".

just keep contradicting yourself man! "if kim allows it china wont let kim allow it"





on topic:

Trump playing the "i want to bring our troops home" card, citing the number of troops in South Korea..... lol

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Quote (Ghot @ Jun 12 2018 02:08pm)
What is there to debate? LOL

There was a summit, they agreed to 4 items. Where's the debate?


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on topic:

Trump playing the "i want to bring our troops home" card, citing the number of troops in South Korea..... lol


First, nice fake quote. Making it look like you said what I've said 4 times now. LOL Do you really think you fool people with this crap?

And where is the "Trump playing the I want to bring our troops home card"?

He hasn't said that, he said: he would lay off the exercises.



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Quote (Ghot @ Jun 12 2018 02:24pm)
First, nice fake quote. Making it look like you said what I've said 4 times now. LOL Do you really think you fool people with this crap?

And where is the "Trump playing the I want to bring our troops home card"?

He hasn't said that, he said: he would lay off the exercises.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/12/north-korea-summit-trump-stuns-region-with-call-to-end-military-drills.html

He says he wants to bring them home, although that it isn't part of the equation right now.

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conversely what's there for China to be happy with? lol


the united states agreeing to a denuclearization of the korean peninsula?

what this means is that if the US-NK negotiations end up a success, then the US would eventually withdraw its nuclear weaponry from south korea. in the same mold, the chinese have to be happy about an end of US military maneuvers in their backyard.

the north korean hedgehog as you call them is an annoyance for the United States, perhaps even a legitimate threat. but the true geostrategic power struggle always was and still is between China and the United States. In this sense, the whole North Korea issue has always been a welcome exucse for the americans to maintain a strong troop presence in the region, in chinas backyard.

if one is completely delusional like you, one might actually believe that Kim and his north koreans would enter a military alliance with the united states. if one is to believe in that, this would be the worst nightmare for the chinese. but the much more realistic and likely outcome of all of this is that the relationship between NK and the US and SK improves, tensions decrease and the american military presence in the region decreases, which will be in chinas interest.
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Quote (Ghot @ Jun 12 2018 01:24pm)
First, nice fake quote. Making it look like you said what I've said 4 times now. LOL Do you really think you fool people with this crap?

And where is the "Trump playing the I want to bring our troops home card"?

He hasn't said that, he said: he would lay off the exercises.


1st, fake quote? i said it in post #175......

2nd, it was a direct quote from Trump's mouth in his post-summit press conference.


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the united states agreeing to a denuclearization of the korean peninsula?

what this means is that if the US-NK negotiations end up a success, then the US would eventually withdraw its nuclear weaponry from south korea. in the same mold, the chinese have to be happy about an end of US military maneuvers in their backyard.

the north korean hedgehog as you call them is an annoyance for the United States, perhaps even a legitimate threat. but the true geostrategic power struggle always was and still is between China and the United States. In this sense, the whole North Korea issue has always been a welcome exucse for the americans to maintain a strong troop presence in the region, in chinas backyard.

if one is completely delusional like you, one might actually believe that Kim and his north koreans would enter a military alliance with the united states. if one is to believe in that, this would be the worst nightmare for the chinese. but the much more realistic and likely outcome of all of this is that the relationship between NK and the US and SK improves, tensions decrease and the american military presence in the region decreases, which will be in chinas interest.




AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......... AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. wat?

i don't believe that in the slightest, that's the headline and the only point of the 4-point summary of the meeting that means anything.

i've been walking Ghot through a contradiction in his stances based on a hypothetical...

people like to talk about instability in the region, meanwhile SK who's had a north korean gun held to it's head for decades has the most stable economy and best projection of anyone in the region per capita.

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Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 12 2018 02:05pm)
Your contributions to most threads include a couple overly emotional outbursts or personal attacks about trump or his supporters or jspers and when it doesn't work you finish out with a few generic posts trying to appear reasonable when everyone knows better.

Which is not any better when it comes to political conversation or debate especially as a foreigner that doesn't understand this place or its people or domestic policies.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 12 2018 03:32pm)
the united states agreeing to a denuclearization of the korean peninsula?

what this means is that if the US-NK negotiations end up a success, then the US would eventually withdraw its nuclear weaponry from south korea. in the same mold, the chinese have to be happy about an end of US military maneuvers in their backyard.

the north korean hedgehog as you call them is an annoyance for the United States, perhaps even a legitimate threat. but the true geostrategic power struggle always was and still is between China and the United States. In this sense, the whole North Korea issue has always been a welcome exucse for the americans to maintain a strong troop presence in the region, in chinas backyard.

if one is completely delusional like you, one might actually believe that Kim and his north koreans would enter a military alliance with the united states. if one is to believe in that, this would be the worst nightmare for the chinese. but the much more realistic and likely outcome of all of this is that the relationship between NK and the US and SK improves, tensions decrease and the american military presence in the region decreases, which will be in chinas interest.




Yeah, IF the denuking actually takes place.
My guess would be they will just move it all to Japan. Or maybe Taiwan. <--- That would piss China off.


The US absolutely can not completely leave the area around the China Sea, the South China Sea. If we did, China would roll over all those little countries and Japan.
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You have to wonder what North Korean rhetoric is going to look like from now on. All it would take for Trump to start tweeting threats again is for a high up official to start talking shit like they normally do.
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