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Russia isn't in Europe. If anything, Europe is tacked on to the ass end of Russia. :)



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Here's a news flash for you: the part of Russia that's to the West of the Ural mountains and the Ural river is part of Europe. This part contains Moscow, and it's where about 75% of Russia's population lives.
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Russia is the whole eastern hemisphere, all those other countries are just tacked on. :D
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lol scaly rage post incoming in 3..2..

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lol scaly rage post incoming in 3..2..


The UK is currently experiencing the most embittered political infighting since world war 2. Working class socialists who voted labour all their adult lives are leaving the party to join the Liberal Democrats to force a second referendum that overturns Brexit. Simultaneously, hundreds of thousands of young people that joined labour preceding the 2017 general election and voted to stay in the EU are rallying around their somewhat Eurosceptic leader, who advocates following through with the result of the referendum and leaving the customs union. Momentum, a Marxist political group, have infiltrated the Labour party through an elaborate network and have been working behind the scenes to stop potential centre-left candidates from running for office, pushing Labour even further to the left than its leader Jeremy Corbyn.

Meanwhile in the government, Theresa May has been hanging on to dear life since last year's crushing (relative) defeat at the general election and has relied on religious fanatics in Northern Ireland to abide. With barely a majority in parliament and a party with MP's where around half voted to leave and half to stay, and having to contend with hardline brexiteer backbenchers demanding a hard brexit; i.e. a complete split from the EU and exit from the single market, May has been fortunate that the opposition and the electorate are in a similar state of chaos.

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The UK is currently experiencing the most embittered political infighting since world war 2. Working class socialists who voted labour all their adult lives are leaving the party to join the Liberal Democrats to force a second referendum that overturns Brexit. Simultaneously, hundreds of thousands of young people that joined labour preceding the 2017 general election and voted to stay in the EU are rallying around their somewhat Eurosceptic leader, who advocates following through with the result of the referendum and leaving the customs union. Momentum, a Marxist political group, have infiltrated the Labour party through an elaborate network and have been working behind the scenes to stop potential centre-left candidates from running for office, pushing Labour even further to the left than its leader Jeremy Corbyn.

Meanwhile in the government, Theresa May has been hanging on to dear life since last year's crushing (relative) defeat at the general election and has relied on religious fanatics in Northern Ireland to abide. With barely a majority in parliament and a party with MP's where around half voted to leave and half to stay, and having to contend with hardline brexiteer backbenchers demanding a hard brexit; i.e. a complete split from the EU and exit from the single market, May has been fortunate that the opposition and the electorate are in a similar state of chaos.


reading this i find so many parallels from german politics atm, however in our case this infighting is the last struggle of merkel+her minions and the complete meltdown of the social democrats
it looks like the current heads of the established parties are really trying to hit the wall with full speed

there are two i am wondering about

how did theresa may manage to stay in office for so long? is there no one else or is that woman glued to her chair?

since you mention the movement for a second referendum, is that even necessary
from an outside perspective it looks like brexit will never happen
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reading this i find so many parallels from german politics atm, however in our case this infighting is the last struggle of merkel+her minions and the complete meltdown of the social democrats
it looks like the current heads of the established parties are really trying to hit the wall with full speed

there are two i am wondering about

how did theresa may manage to stay in office for so long? is there no one else or is that woman glued to her chair?

since you mention the movement for a second referendum, is that even necessary
from an outside perspective it looks like brexit will never happen


Noone who wants to be PM wants to be PM now. They'll just wait for her to take all the blame, dispose of her in the party and run themselves as fresh candidates.
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Quote (ampoo @ Jan 29 2018 09:50pm)
reading this i find so many parallels from german politics atm, however in our case this infighting is the last struggle of merkel+her minions and the complete meltdown of the social democrats
it looks like the current heads of the established parties are really trying to hit the wall with full speed

there are two i am wondering about

how did theresa may manage to stay in office for so long? is there no one else or is that woman glued to her chair?

since you mention the movement for a second referendum, is that even necessary
from an outside perspective it looks like brexit will never happen


While I agree with what balrog said to an extent I also think it's due to lack of strong opposition from Corbyn, who divides opinion amongst voters. In addition, the first stage of Brexit negotiations being successful was met with a positive reception from voters and media; in reality the most upset were actually the hardline brexiteers who felt like we offered too many concessions to the EU in the form of divorce bill.

I disagree that brexit will never happen or even that it looks like it won't happen. We've discussed the possibility of staying for an additional 2 years after March 2019 because our progress in planning out how we're going to leave is non-existent.
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Jan 30 2018 12:32pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42867668

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According to BuzzFeed, the report said growth would be lower in each of three different Brexit outcomes than if the UK had stayed in the EU.

Labour has called for it to be be published and debated in Parliament.

According to Buzzfeed, the leaked document, titled EU Exit Analysis - Cross Whitehall Briefing and drawn up for the Department for Exiting the EU, suggests almost every part of the economy would suffer.

It looked at scenarios ranging from leaving with no deal to remaining within the EU single market.



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The report suggests UK economic growth would be 8% lower than current forecasts, in 15 years' time, if the country left the bloc with no deal and reverted to World Trade Organisation rules.

It says growth would be 5% lower if Britain negotiated a free trade deal and 2% lower even if the UK were to continue to adhere to the rules of the single market.

All scenarios assume a new deal with the US.


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