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Oct 26 2016 03:20pm
Quote (ringo794 @ Oct 26 2016 03:16pm)
you are defaulting back to a point that I have already shown to be incorrect
as for your arbitrary copy/paste of air density info, ok? and?


U showed it was incorrect with science that's all tainted by the powers that be to make u think it makes sense so they can keep their vacation homes on all that land they're hiding.

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Oct 26 2016 03:21pm
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U showed it was incorrect with science that's all tainted by the powers that be to make u think it makes sense so they can keep their vacation homes on all that land they're hiding.


well if he contests the point, or admits that he wont accept without refuting it, then that's fine.
until then I'll repeatedly explain until I get bored >.<
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Oct 26 2016 03:24pm
Quote (russian @ Oct 26 2016 11:08am)
Because the hot air balloon is also spinning at 1000 mph. And everything around it (including the air) is spinning at 1000 mph. But because everything is spinning at the same speed, everything ends up moving together and not hitting each other.
Pretend that the Earth's surface and the atmosphere are like two trains that are running side by side, at exactly the same speed. Even though both are moving very very fast, when you sit on either of the trains and look at the other it will appear to not be moving at all.
An airplane is like a person who's sitting on one train initially (the ground) and then takes off by jumping to the other train. Because the trains are moving at the same speed, he can easily make the jump, it will be like jumping from one stationary object to another. Relative to each other, the trains ARE stationary.
Now he starts running through the train at 10 mph. This is like an airplane running through the air. Amazingly, the person doesn't suddenly get smacked by the train he jumped on to. He's still perfectly OK, and relative to the first train he's moving at 10 mph. But relative to something that's NOT on the trains, he's moving very very quickly because the train he's on is moving very very quickly. So even though our train is flying through space at 50,000 mph, we can still move back and forth at much slower speeds and everything's OK.


Good, you understand that the air is moving in the exact relative direction as the earth, now keep that in mind and try to explain why an airplane traveling in the opposite direction to all this air moving against it doesn't need to account for this force - remember you just admitted that the planet, the air and a hot air balloon are all moving at the relative direction to the exact speed and direction of the earth so that we dont notice it moving at all. See your thinking that the air doesn't move, which of course it doesn't, but in the helio world is all moving like really fast and you just dont notice it.
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Oct 26 2016 03:26pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Oct 26 2016 09:39am)
How does ball earth explain flights paths that only make sense on a flat earth?


Which flights specifically?

I'm glad I logged on my phone!

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Oct 26 2016 03:29pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Oct 26 2016 04:24pm)
Good, you understand that the air is moving in the exact relative direction as the earth, now keep that in mind and try to explain why an airplane traveling in the opposite direction to all this air moving against it doesn't need to account for this force - remember you just admitted that the planet, the air and a hot air balloon are all moving at the relative direction to the exact speed and direction of the earth so that we dont notice it moving at all. See your thinking that the air doesn't move, which of course it doesn't, but in the helio world is all moving like really fast and you just dont notice it.


The plane only needs to move in the other direction relative to the earth, not the air
In other words, it just needs SOME resistance to the force of the air, not all. Hold on, I'll try to draw up a force diagram for you.
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Oct 26 2016 03:30pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Oct 26 2016 04:08pm)
OK please post evidence that can prove gravity 100% and explain why people float in water - while others things sink right to to bottom and explain why the weight of the earth is strong enough to hold oceans upside down clinging to the earth but a bird can fly or i can jump which exerts enough force to overcome it with ease. Explain why if the Earth is spiraling at 500,000 mph and the earth is sucking in the air so it travels in the exact same specific relative direction as it - how can an airplane moving in the direction of opposite movement doesn't need to account for this force? The air cant be relative to the direction of the moving planet and well as to the random direction of all airplanes travelling though the air.

Here's a nice paper that shows Gravity is false. If you cant debunk it - your just clinging to dogmatic scientific myths

Disproof of Gravity
By Aaron Guerami
aguerami@gmail.com
http://aaronsreality./
The standard particle model has yet to find any evidence of Gravity. This is most concerning since gravity
is used by most modern equations. Great particle accelerators have hunted for any signs of gravity. None
found!
There are several ways to disprove gravity.
1) Experimentally
One simple experiment shows there is no gravity. The Helium Balloon. It rises. How is this
possible? Classical Mechanics shows that Force equals the Constant of Gravity multiplied by the
Mass of Object 1 multiplied by the Mass of Object 2 divided by the Distance between the two
masses raised to the second power.
F=GM1M2/r^2
With this logic, the mass of the Earth is so great that the helium balloon would have no choice but
to be attracted to the Earth. We have mass 1 pulling on mass 2 and mass 2 pulling on mass 1.
F1 = F2. This is just wrong. The force of the balloon that pulls the Earth is not equal to the force
that the Earth pulls on the balloon. It would not rise. What we see in the experiment that the
helium is rising to meet its level of density.
2) Commutitive
The mathematics of gravity is a concept called Zero Point Mass. This is a mass without a volume.
This is not found in the universe. The main problem here is the reduction of 3 dimensional
densities to 0 dimensional masses. Once a density is reduces to a mass, the mass cannot be
returned to the original shape of the density. So we cannot cube a zero and get anything but
another zero. This breaks the commutative properties of addition.
Let’s look at some of the equations and how gravity fails at a fundamental level.
F=ma : Force equals mass times acceleration.
We have a zero dimensional mass * a 2 dimensional vector and that does not equal a 3
dimensional field. So the main axiom of gravity fails the commutative test.
This alone should disprove gravity.
F = G(M1*M2)/r^2 : Force = The constant of Gravity * (The zero dimensional mass 1 * The zero
dimensional mass 2)/ The 3 dimensional length between them squared. So every object pulls
every other object. The dimensional problem occurs again.
A constant is what is used to fill in the gaps. When things do not work the way we want them to,
we just add a constant to fix the problem. When the equation no longer works, we change the
constant’s value.
Physicists know about this problem. They created gravity waves and shell modeling to
compensate for the dimensionless mass. But gravity is still dimensionless. The dimensionless
mass cannot create a 3 dimensional shape.
We all know that gravity collapses under the scrutiny of the tiny. Quantum level objects do not
show any signs of gravity. The particle accelerators prove this. They have yet to find any force
that works as gravity is described.
3) Gravity fails the multi-body test.
Gravity can only compute the force between 2 objects. Any equation that uses a sum of objects
fails in this way. First the two objects force is computed then the third body is computed with the
resultant of the first two bodies. Then that resultant is computed with the 4 body... That is how
summation works. The problem is that the distance between object 1 and 2 is not evaluated in the
next iteration.
4) Gravity and Complex Systems.
Let’s look at a hurricane that is traveling over the ocean. The spinning winds cause rotation in the
ocean. The low pressure of the storm causes a bulge upward in the ocean. Heat and pressure
are two of the main variables in this system. As the temp increases it decreases the pressure of
the storm, causing an increase in intensity in the storm. The heated air is forced up the eye wall.
This is an example of a temperature/pressure force on density. It is not possible for gravity to
describe this system, with or without spheres.
5) Questions posed by others:
- the rain fall because of gravity.
- the rain occurs because of water vapor cooling (temperature going closer to the dew point).
- the rain formation in itself is a very complex phenomena.
- the dynamics of rain formation depends on the presence of aerosols and fine particles.
- the dynamics of rain formation also depends on complex collision and coalescence
phenomena.
- the ascending motion of air is driven by gravity on all parts of the atmosphere.
- this ascending motion is also affected by the Coriolis force.
- this motion is affected also by the drag of rain.
- this motion is also affected by the detailed geometry of the hurricane.
- the fluid dynamics itself exhibits an incredible complexity, like turbulence and instabilities.
- the term "T" in the Navier-Stokes equation above hides a lot of complexities that often still need
to be understood.
- heat exchange plays an important role, yet it is not simpler than the fluid dynamics.
- the rain fall because of gravity
Rain falls because as cold water it is more dense or less buoyant then the surrounding air.
- the rain occurs because of water vapor cooling (temperature going closer to the dew point).
Yes, that is one way of looking at density and Buoyancy
- the rain formation in itself is a very complex phenomena.
Yes
- the dynamics of rain formation depends on the presence of aerosols and fine particles
Yes, the mixture of dirty water causes it to be a more dense mixture.
- the dynamics of rain formation also depends on complex collision and coalescence
phenomena.
Yes again, as the less dense gas collides with other gases, their temperature reduces and the
gas becomes liquid. This process occurs until the liquid water is heavier than the force of the
updraft.
- the ascending motion of air is driven by gravity on all parts of the atmosphere .
No. The ascending motion of air is due to the changes in temperature. The air heats at the
ground and rises. As it rises it cools and becomes liquid again. The liquid water is more dense
then the surrounding air.
- this ascending motion is also affected by the Coriolis force .
There are only 4 forces, Gluon - nuclear, W Boson - magnetism, Z Boson - electricity, and the
Photon - heat. Those are the only forces that have been experimentally shown.
- this motion is affected also by the drag of rain
Of course, As rain falls it drags against the updraft. This is the friction that removes the heat from
the air. Heat radiates to cold.
- this motion is also affected by the detailed geometry of the hurricane
The motion is the geometry of the cyclone. Geometry is a snapshot in time of an object.
- the fluid dynamics itself exhibits an incredible complexity, like turbulence and instabilities
The whole system is buoyancy. Buoyancy is only fluid dynamics. As a matter of opinion,
everything is fluid dynamics.
- the term "T" in the Navier-Stokes equation above hides a lot of complexities that often still need
to be understood
Like G, they change T frequently. These changes of G try to mimic the evidence. Just change the
constant and you will get what you want to see.
- heat exchange plays an important role, yet it is not simpler than the fluid dynamics
Heat exchange is intrinsic to fluid dynamics. You cannot remove heat from the fluid dynamics
problem.
- yet, suppress gravity and there are no hurricanes anymore
One cannot suppress gravity. Gravity is not real. It’s an old model of how objects move. Evidence
has forced major changes in gravity. There is no supporting evidence of a graviton. It is like the
Higg’s boson. Something that was built to try to explain interactions, but it does not.
6) Silly paradoxes created by gravity.
a. Black Holes are easily disproven by Crothers at sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com
b. Worm holes/Time travel
c. Parallel Universes
d. Relativity
e. Flat universe
f. Graviton decay
g. Higg’s Boson

Kepler's 3 laws are more in line with how planets orbit the sun. This is because of the Sun’s motion
around the galaxy. This causes the elliptical shape of the orbit. Not gravity. Gravity cannot explain 3 body
interactions. If the equation has a G in it then it is a Zero Point Mass system and that does not exist in
the universe.
The rules of the universe are simple. An atoms position in a system is based upon its density in relation to
the surrounding densities and the changes in magnetism, electricity and temperature. Density is the most
important function in determining the position of an object. Density is the vibration intensity within a
volume in relation to the density of the surrounding medium.


Now i know you are 100% trolling
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Oct 26 2016 03:30pm
Quote (ringo794 @ Oct 26 2016 11:16am)
you are defaulting back to a point that I have already shown to be incorrect
as for your arbitrary copy/paste of air density info, ok? and?


Air has mass - if its moving it should have force - In the Helio model - the earth is a completely open environment
How is the earth gravity sucking in the air with the exact force to completely counteract the black hole at the center of our universe that is making the earth spiral around at 500,000mph?
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Oct 26 2016 03:32pm
Quote (WhoBut_WBMason @ Oct 26 2016 11:30am)
Now i know you are 100% trolling


Since you didn't refute anything - I know your trolling and trying to project your intentions onto me.
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Oct 26 2016 03:34pm
Here:
this is very crude but demonstrates the point
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Oct 26 2016 03:35pm
Quote (ringo794 @ Oct 26 2016 11:29am)
The plane only needs to move in the other direction relative to the earth, not the air
In other words, it just needs SOME resistance to the force of the air, not all. Hold on, I'll try to draw up a force diagram for you.


But the air is moving in the Helio model, we just proved it is moving relative to the direction of the planet - so which is it - the air is moving or its not - i cant be doing both depending on the reality you wish.

Quote (ringo794 @ Oct 26 2016 11:34am)
Here:
this is very crude but demonstrates the point
https://i.gyazo.com/97308de9136d02f621416ff417c4a584.png


so in your example - the earth and the air are both spinning at 1000 mph, orbiting at 66,600 mph and spiraling at 500,000 mph - the air is relative to the direction of the earth

so plane going in the opposite direct would need to resist this force, 500mph isnt enough force in resist the massive force that should be there, but its not there, because the earth and the air dont move.



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