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Feb 10 2015 05:45pm
...for those who scoff at the seriousness of measles , 150,000 people ( mostly children ) die from it every year around the globe . It almost got me when I was around 5 years old and I have memories of how frightened my mother was and I also remember being wrapped in cold , wet sheets to get my fever down .
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Feb 10 2015 06:08pm
heres an educated person who is against vaccines



This post was edited by asthesun on Feb 10 2015 06:09pm
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 10 2015 06:16pm)
There is much more research out there that warrants at least a second look to the side effect of vaccines and forcing them onto every single child indiscriminately but if people want to be close minded who am i to tell them otherwise

http://www.cidd.psu.edu/research/synopses/acellular-vaccine-enhancement-b.-parapertussis

this is one of dozens of cases that this has been proven and i'm not just making shit up i'm done arguing about this though the research is out there


O nice, a link that has nothing to do with what we were talking about. I am not talking about an ill intended effect. I am talking about genome manipulation via vaccination which you were eluding to in your previous 2-3 posts. Effects of vaccines downstream 4 generations blah blah. Your article does nothing to address my complaint.

It's not about being close or open minded. It's about someone (you) posting whatever comes to their mind without any understanding of what the words they are using imply.
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Feb 10 2015 06:18pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Feb 10 2015 06:45pm)
...for those who scoff at the seriousness of measles , 150,000 people ( mostly children ) die from it every year around the globe . It almost got me when I was around 5 years old and I have memories of how frightened my mother was and I also remember being wrapped in cold , wet sheets to get my fever down .


Don't agree with you on some major issues, but the fact we can agree here says something
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Feb 10 2015 07:28pm
Quote (asthesun @ Feb 10 2015 07:08pm)
heres an educated person who is against vaccines

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq36/asthesun/72088_zpse7b34fd3.jpg


Youtube is the reason this is even a problem.
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Feb 10 2015 08:36pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 10 2015 06:41pm)
Do you understand that vaccines may cause genetic changes that get passed down you smug fuck?

http://vaccinechoicecanada.com/doctors-speak/vaccines-and-genetic-mutation/

since you might be to lazy to read here is an excerpt

there is much indirect evidence that vaccines may be skewing the human immune system away from cellular immune system, which is normally dominant in health, towards the weaker humoral system, which is associated with allergies and autoimmunity as well as increased vulnerability to viral and fungal infections.This conclusion can hardly be escaped because most if not all childhood vaccines in current use are injected directly into the body and are directed at stimulating antibody production in the bone marrow. Bypassing the mucous membranes of the body as they do, the cellular immune system remains weak and relatively stunted due to lack of stimulation. As previously noted, once the humoral system attains dominance, as demonstrated in the following study, this dominance tends to be self-perpetuating.


From this source:

According to an article in World Medicine (September 22, 1971, pp 69-72; New Medical Journals, Clareville House, Oxendon St., London), scientists at the University of Geneva have made the startling discovery that biological substances entering directly into the blood stream may truly become a part of us and even a part of our genetic material. The article stated in part: “When Japanese bacteriologists discovered that bacteria of one species transferred their own highly specific antibiotic resistance to bacteria of an entirely different species, they seemed to hit on a unique if not startling phenomenon. Dr. Maurice Stroun and Dr. Pilippe Anker, with colleagues in the Department of Plant Physiology at the University of Geneva, have now accumulated a wealth of evidence that the transfer of genetic information is not confined to bacteria but also can occur between bacteria and higher plants and animals.”


Would be interesting to dig a bit more about that.


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Feb 10 2015 09:11pm
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From this source:

According to an article in World Medicine (September 22, 1971, pp 69-72; New Medical Journals, Clareville House, Oxendon St., London), scientists at the University of Geneva have made the startling discovery that biological substances entering directly into the blood stream may truly become a part of us and even a part of our genetic material. The article stated in part: “When Japanese bacteriologists discovered that bacteria of one species transferred their own highly specific antibiotic resistance to bacteria of an entirely different species, they seemed to hit on a unique if not startling phenomenon. Dr. Maurice Stroun and Dr. Pilippe Anker, with colleagues in the Department of Plant Physiology at the University of Geneva, have now accumulated a wealth of evidence that the transfer of genetic information is not confined to bacteria but also can occur between bacteria and higher plants and animals.”


Would be interesting to dig a bit more about that.


It's interesting, but currently we have no reason to suspect it's true. It's been known for a very long time that bacteria can undergo horizontal gene transfer and the mechanism is fairly well understood, as far as these things go, but there's no reason to assume it can happen between people.
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Feb 10 2015 09:24pm
Not allowing abstainers into certain public places like schools seems like the fairest and safest compromise.
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Feb 10 2015 09:38pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 10 2015 10:11pm)
It's interesting, but currently we have no reason to suspect it's true. It's been known for a very long time that bacteria can undergo horizontal gene transfer and the mechanism is fairly well understood, as far as these things go, but there's no reason to assume it can happen between people.


Not to mention horizontal gene transfer with plasmids and such has anything to do with the vertical transmission that other kid was implying occurs with vaccines

Verbal diarrhea on pard today
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Feb 10 2015 09:50pm
The vaccination rate has reach a level that can hardly be increased, also this rate is considerate as enough safe by specialists. The arguments i see from anti-vaccin people often turn around paranoia (pharma companies, etc...), mandatorate vaccination may lead to reinforce there paranoia and lower the actual vaccination rate.

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