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Israel forces destory those settling that done by "Mitnahalim" , one problem that theres no "Palestine lands" just because theres no Palestine country.
Whatever way you twist it there are areas where there's Israeli settlements that shouldn't be there according to international law. That's a fact. Also happens to be a fact that your governments opposition to said breaches of the Geneva convention is rather void of passion. One might even say they endorse them. Or even propose new settlements in your parliaments as "retaliation" to whatever crimes someone on the Palestinian side are current.
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The Palestine dont mind the settling and all they want is the whole country back ( wont happen ever ) .
Well that's a load of bull. The Palestinians are very much opposed to the illegal settlements. The whole "won't ever happen" thing regarding justice and returning to lawful rule under international law exposes a slight flaw - one of many - in the peace process. The one where the Israeli say "peace is impossible so we might as well fuck 'em over as hard as we can".
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Never said I justify the murders in any side , if it would do any diffrence I would go to that kid house and say Im sorry but that do any good , most chances I will get murder aswell.
I never said its ok to kill teenagers / old people , I said that Hamas need to control their people and leave the Israeli citizens alone.
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Just thought we should clear that up first.
Every other post you make tries to excuse the acts of the IDF on the basis of what Hamas did when the acts in fact only serve as revenge. Revenge isn't justice however much you want it to be.
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By the way did you know that more then 30 rockets were fired to Israel citys in the weekend ? Hamas said "Its only the beging".
Did you know that members of your parliament called for a "proper zionist response" to the killings, IE, more
illegal settlements violating human rights? We can throw these bad things around all day and one evil will still not justify another.
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How do you except to achive peace when one side shoots rockets on innocent citizens? destroying homes and citys ?
I don't, they're using force in a way that's beyond self defense and thus it's not justifiable. It needs to stop, obviously. It's not the only thing that needs to stop though. How do you expect two parties to agree on how to divide a cake if one party keeps eating the cake during the negotiations? The illegal settlements need to go, just like the rockets.
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Could you ever achive peace with a side that attack inncoent citizens? Im not talking trying to hit a millatry base and by accident hit a house , shit happen and continue to happen , Israel before attacking a house spread lots of new papers calling the citizens to get out of the building , they dont do so because Hamas will kill them first if they do so , because they think "Israel wont bomb a building with a family inside" and they are right , just like the US wont do it Israel wont do it aswell.
Nope, just like you can't achieve peace with a side that doesn't believe peace is ever possible and thus escalates the conflicts through attrition of their own. Bombings, illegal settlements, house demolitions and killings of civilians that go unpunished despite undisputable proof. There's two sides to this, still.
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Theres lots of problems in the Israel govrement thats true but still they got their people that can talk with the govrement and achive an aggrement WITHOUT any violence .
more then 90% of the Israeli citizens / forces want Peace even if we need to give them their own country but Israeli cant stand that the Palestine people agree to what Hamas is doing.
In that case you have a serious democratic problem. The people want peace but the government escalates the conflict through a policy of revenge. That sounds a whole lot like Hamas, doesn't it?
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Just come to all major city in Israel and you will see Palestine workers work aside with Israeli citizens , laugh and have fun , only problem that there like 80% that the Palestine worker eventually try to hit Israel in some way.
Yes theres those people who are stupid to take the law to their hands in both sides but you need to look at the history , why wont you say anything about all the bombing made in the 90's ? that was ok?
Israel in war against not a country but an Terrorist organization , look what happend to the US in vietnam , same shit, problem that it wasnt the US country .
Dont except Israel to sit aside while she watching her citizens get bombed by rockets , get murder by nothing , kidnap for nothing.
This is a side note really but if it helps in any way, why not. I've been to Israel and lived there for a few months. Granted, it's been a long time (1998) and circumstances have changed since, but I stay in touch with people on both sides of the conflict. Does it really make a difference that I've lived three months in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem? It's a rather empty appeal to authority through experience where what really matters is principle. International law. Prevention of harm. I think you're an excellent example of why there's just more blood to be shed though - you're unwilling or unable to rise above revenge and see a solution. You spend your every breath justifying and trying to defend atrocities that simply cannot be defended or justified in the pursuit of a rose tinted world where only the other side is in the wrong. That's just not how it is and the sooner the Israeli and the Palestinians both decide to put an end to this mess once and for all and abide by international law the sooner you can stop living in fear and under oppression. Good luck, you need it.