...get over yourself . Your " interpretations " are shallow and your conviction to them is unconvincing . Like I said to Dune , this is a discussion forum and not your private pulpit !

Sweet irony


Question OP: How much money a year do you donate to your parish?

funny how mutual respect is slowly turning into venom in this thread

but still u made almost 20 pages of peace, a miracle in this forum

Yep, I was one of those. Born into a christian family, sunday school, etc etc. But now my mind is free.



Know? or believe? Not to disparage your faith here, I just find it amusing when two Christians disagree on interpretations, simply due to the nature of the arguments used. Cherry picking ain't so fun when it's someone else doing it to you, right?

Anyway, carry on.

...I did not stutter .

I never said you did . Now, as you must know, something must be true before it can be called knowledge. Can you explain how your knowledge of the correct interpretation is any more valid than the beliefs of other religious folks you interact with here?

This post was edited by Queso on Jul 1 2014 12:55pm

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Yea bro I tried. I am still up to answering any questions if someone wants. =) I guess people can post whatever they want on here. I don't know how my interpretations are shallow? In fact, Jesus said unless we accept the Kingdom like a child, then we won't enter it (luke 18:15-17). I will try my best to read through and find out who is actually asking questions. I will find joy in those who find my comments to be trivial...maybe I am getting close to seeing the kingdom as a child, simple. Best wishes to all!

This post was edited by wofire on Jul 1 2014 03:13pm

...this is why I call them shallow . Who was Jesus talking to and why do you think the Kingdom is a reference to anything other than the Millenial Rule and the Kingdom promises to Israel ?

I apologize about the earlier verse reference...it is actually Luke 18 not luke 8.

Who was Jesus talking to? According to the Bible he was talking to his disciples who was turning away children because they were not important enough in the disciples eyes. This is sandwiched between 2 stories the parable of the tax collector and the rich young ruler. I believe he is trying to teach the disciples that humility is what God looks for and not piety.
Now why do I think that the Kingdom of God refers to something other then the 1000 year or the promise to Israel?
-1st off let's say that the 1000 year rule started then, then we would be well past that stage and the end times should have happened...well it hasn't so lets cross that idea. I mentioned earlier why I believe the kingdom of God isn't just for Israel anymore...


Luke 14
15 When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, “Blessed is the one who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God.”16 Jesus replied: “A certain man was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. 17 At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, ‘Come, for everything is now ready.’18 “But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, ‘I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.’19 “Another said, ‘I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I’m on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.’20 “Still another said, ‘I just got married, so I can’t come.’21 “The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.’22 “‘Sir,’ the servant said, ‘what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.’23 “Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full. 24 I tell you, not one of those who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.’”

So Jesus is dining with Pharisees, the leader of the Jews, when telling this story. After the Jews have basically gave up their seat to the kingdom by denying Jesus, Jesus then begins to offer invitations to non Jews. He is talking about the Kingdom of God as the church and not just the Israelites.

Furtheremore...
Galations 3
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Talks about how the their is no longer Jew nor Gentile, but all are one in God's kingdom. So now you might say that they are coming together in Abraham's seed...
I would then look at the middle of Acts at the circumcision debate. It was decided that Christians did not need to become Jews in order to be Christian and therefore did not need to be Jew to be apart of the Kingdom of God.

Hope that was thorough enough...

...allow me to burst your bubble and hopefully deepen your understanding...we Christians are the Body of Christ not the Kingdom . They are NOT the same thing .