The signing is implicit when you live in a society. You aren't a captive bro, quit acting like one.

I disagree. Anyone who follows the doctrine of the social contract is in fact a slave, and held captive in a myriad of ways. You have no idea how little your freedoms means to your society.

What do you know of the social contract? The point is that some freedom is given for security.

Fact is I can sit in my awesome apartment with all my awesome stuff like books, paintings, astronomy equipment, flatscreen television, playstation video game system, more clothing than I need, enough food in the pantry to last me two weeks easily if I stretched it, nice furniture, and due to the social contract, nobody is going to easily come take it from me.

Now I have utopian fantasies too, and we have to avoid being utopian because that is just fantasy stuff. Even if everybody on Earth were willing to work together, which is contrary to human nature given the past 3500 years of recorded history, it would still fail miserably.

I agree that we're in this together, and I agree that the state isn't the answer for many of our cultural problems, however you aren't going to ever get to the point of surplus if you don't get the basics as a society, and surplus is all-important. If you don't have surplus you'll never exceed hunter-gatherer humans....as Hobbes, the first to talk about the social contract said, life would again be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short". We would be dying from things like pneumonia and influenza, any injury that causes any infection whatsoever will be a death sentence...the prime cause of death would be starvation again.

Sure, getting rid of the social contract would be great for some people who are inclined to live the life of a barbarian, and philosopher Fredrick Nietzsche, who advocates absolving the social contract just like you, says that being a barbarian is the only real way to live, because it is life-affirming and will lead the human race to the next evolutionary step, which is retarded by the safety of the social contract and Christian values of compassion, humility, and selflessness. According to Nietzsche all mental illness and maladaptive behavior comes from humans having to retard their animal urges for society, the line of thought followed by Freud in his structural account of the human psyche.

I would like to hear your objections to the social contract, or the idea of it,, and I'd like to address them, as in a discussion, if that is possible. This is a conversation that is worth having....please don't make me regret spending time on an articulate post! RUSSIABANK and DieTryin' always end up wasting my time when I address them as adults.

Oh, and you're wrong...I know exactly how little my freedom means to society. It means nothing. It is out of self-interest that people join the contract, to get away from the harsh realities of freedom, which means starving or freezing to death and possessing little to no medicine.

I've given up some of my freedom to have rights.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 8 2013 10:23am

Property rights are social constructs, of course they don't exist in the "true" sense. They only exist insofar as they are enforced and respected.

You have no right to travel this earth, because as I just said, rights are, in the end, a matter of force. Sneak into North Korea and exercise your rights, see how far it gets you.

The world is already anarchic, billions of individuals incessantly engaging in goal-oriented behavior. The cumulative effect of their actions has lead to the ordered status quo. I understand this, and I aim to realize my goals in tandem with existing social realities.

You're just a sad, mentally deranged dissident who will get absolutely nowhere.

I think most misunderstanding in the social contract is that people conflate rights with freedom, when they are opposing ideas. If I have a right to anything, it is a restriction placed on everybody else.

A right in one party creates a corresponding duty in another. I'll be glad to get my philosophy of law notes and clear this up nicely for anybody who wants me to.

Rights are the result of laws, laws are commands, a command is a threat to visit some evil on a party that doesn't comply with a wish. I just summarized John Austin's legal philosophy in a sentence. If you want to talk about natural rights, HLA Hart addresses that sufficiently....hint: they're established by the social contract, which is based on the single right that everybody has, the right of might. He searches for any other natural rights, and they're not there. Just ask the birds and squirrels

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 8 2013 10:38am

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"The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must."

This post was edited by bogie160 on Dec 9 2013 07:11pm

CANADA is a corporation. Literally! It's a corporate entity with the sole purpose of generating revenue, not protecting Rights and Freedoms and not even to provide security. As such each province is a sub-corporation, and their lower courts are also corporations. They generate profit off of extorting the people! They operate under CONTRACT LAW. As with any contract the consent of two or more parties are necessary for any contract to be lawful. You have been cunningly deceived into waiving your RIGHTS in exchange for PRIVILEGES that can now be licensed and regulated by the province. Any time you find yourself the victim of this fraud and you wind up in court for a victimless crime, you are actually in breach of some contract or corporate policy. They mean to extract revenue from you for this violation. Statutes, acts, bylaws and codes are these corporate policies and contracts. As with any contract, they must be fully disclosed so even if you have given consent, odds are, you were defrauded into giving consent without knowing the terms.

In order for this fraud of using contract law on the people, without their consent, each "PERSON" has been redefined legally as a corporate entity. This was done when your parents REGISTERED your live record of birth. A corporate person was created and it exist only on paper. All documents addressed to this corporation are signified by the all caps manor in which the name is written. It's important to understand, this is not you! This is a corporate entity that exist only on paper. Just like Walmart is a corporate name that only exist on paper. You can not see or feel or touch Walmart. You can enter a building that Walmart does business in but that is not Walmart. Walmart can shut the doors and relocate to a different building. This is also not Walmart. Walmart is a corporate entity that exist only as a fiction, on paper.

Your corporate person is no different. Just like with any corporation all corporate employees are subject to their corporate policies. If you claim to be the person, your claiming to be a subject to the CROWN CORPORATION. As such their policies (codes, acts, statutes ect.) apply to you. To take it a step further, they presume you are this person, and a presumption in law left undisputed stands as fact. Ignorantly you have consented that their corporate policies apply to you. Ignorantly you have consented to various contracts not knowing the terms and conditions. You must dispute the presumptions that your a corporate person and you must withdraw your consent to these fraudulent contracts in order to free yourself from the bonds of this corporate law.



On the contrary, I'm a Happy, mentally stable free man who has achieved more in my short time than you and your entire family of serfs could ever hope to achieve by following your strict rules of the social contract. The truth is you are just jealous. Admit it... I'm MUCH better than you are and it kills you