if you have something where god says here are my 613 commandments, bam, i have no problem admitting theres a possiblity you are correct.

but until then, calling them the commandments or any other group of laws is not supported biblicaly, and im sure jesus knew that too, an he didnt support them either as he called out the true commandments while mocking the 613 laws.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Oct 18 2013 11:54am

the whole 5 books of moses is God saying here are the 613 commandments. this is basic jewish theology, which jesus would have known.

to you this is troublesome, as youve been taught that commandments refers to the ten commandments. but this is not how jews view it and is not how jesus would have viewed it.

This post was edited by ReturnFormer on Oct 18 2013 11:58am

it looks like a bunch stuff ment for a specific time and people, that some people some time down the line, with out consulting god, decided to call mosasic laws, not even commandments. the action of men not devine beings.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Oct 18 2013 12:02pm

that may be how it appears to you, but that is because you lack sufficient knowledge on the topic. did you even read the wiki page about it that i referenced before? the codification of the law of moses into the "613 commandments" happened down the line, but that was only a question of classifying them. there was never any question that all of them are commandments of God and should be followed. thus, as i said, since the time of moses, any time a jew has referred to 'commandments' without specifying only the ten commandments, they have meant all the commandments of the whole five books of moses.

if you have something where god says here are my 613 commandments, bam, i have no problem admitting theres a possiblity you are correct.

but until then, calling them the commandments or any other group of laws is not supported biblicaly, and im sure jesus knew that too, an he didnt support them either as he called out the true commandments while mocking the 613 laws.

the end, make a poll if you want other opinions.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Oct 18 2013 12:09pm

fine, just keep repeating the same thing over and over. as i said, you lack knowledge of jewish thought. jesus did not, though.

ill say it one last time. ALL the laws given in the five books of moses are commandments. there has never been any debate about this. even christian scholars will admit that the laws were commandments for the jews. (they just hold that they no longer apply.) since the time of moses jews have followed all the laws and viewed them as commandments. and have therefore referred to them collectively as "commandments". if you want scriptural evidence that supports this (though its not necessary, since as i said even christian scholars agree to this.) then it mentions 'as i have commanded' numerous times throughout the five books of moses, in connection to things other than the ten commandments. (such as the instance i mentioned above in deuteronomy 12). perhaps you should try reading the five books of moses sometime and then see what you think.