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Nov 15 2013 06:57am
Quote (killgoreisleet @ Nov 15 2013 07:23am)
McDonalds are franchise based, as are many places like Subway, they are still McDonald's employees but the locations are operated independently. Santara explained it better


Better? We more or less said the same thing, except that he said that McDonalds employees don't work for McDonalds. Or at worse he believes that the McDonalds corporation is actually a person and since the (artificial) person of McDonalds didn't say this literally (only the managers and owners of McDonalds restaurants) it doesn't count.

I know what he is trying to say, it doesn't need to be explained to me. I think that he is incorrect.
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Quote (Skinned @ Nov 15 2013 06:04am)
So next time I go to McDonalds the person who works for the franchise that I'm at isn't a McDonalds employee?


No. They are Joe Schmuckatelly's employees, representing McDonald's the brand.

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People who work there are non-McDonalds employees that coincidentally work at a McDonalds location doing McDonald things....they must just really love those McDonald uniforms to go out and procure them on their own and make those McDoubles for whomever it is they make them for (that isn't a owner within the McDonalds organization).


They represent the McDonald's brand. Representatives of, not employees of McDonald's. McDonald's doesn't set their wage rates. Joe Schmuckatelly does.
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No. They are Joe Schmuckatelly's employees, representing McDonald's the brand.



They represent the McDonald's brand. Representatives of, not employees of McDonald's. McDonald's doesn't set their wage rates. Joe Schmuckatelly does.


Joe Schmuckatelly owns a McDonalds, who the workers work for. If somebody got hurt at McDonalds, it wouldn't be Joe Schmuckatelly getting sued, would it? Or would be some fictional construct called McDonalds.

When McDonalds got sued over hot coffee, it wasn't Joe Schmuckatelly getting sued, it was McDonalds, served by McDonalds employees, who work for McDonalds. They were not giving out Joe Schmuckatelly's coffee.

You're really splitting hairs. Managers are McDonalds represent McDonalds. You are just saying "but the upper management didn't say that", which can largely be attributed to people in upper management not talking to people like the ones they hire on the customer service level. Of course the upper management didn't tell them. Might as well just say "unless the CEO says it to each employee personally, it doesn't count", which is a total cop out again.

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Joe Schmuckatelly owns a McDonalds, who the workers work for.  If somebody got hurt at McDonalds, it wouldn't be Joe Schmuckatelly getting sued, would it?  Or would be some fictional construct called McDonalds.

When McDonalds got sued over hot coffee, it wasn't Joe Schmuckatelly getting sued, it was McDonalds, served by McDonalds employees, who work for McDonalds.  They were not giving out Joe Schmuckatelly's coffee.

You're really splitting hairs.  Managers are McDonalds represent McDonalds.  You are just saying "but the upper management didn't say that", which can largely be attributed to people in upper management not talking to people like the ones they hire on the customer service level.  Of course the upper management didn't tell them.  Might as well just say "unless the CEO says it to each employee personally, it doesn't count", which is a total cop out again.


It WOULD be Joe getting sued. AND McDonald's, assuming that Joe's actions are attributable to McDonald's, like the coffee temperature. McDonald's gives instructions for operating the business that Joe follows as part of the conditions of his franchise. They BOTH get sued. There isn't a single defendant.

This isn't splitting hairs, there are 2 different entities, and both can have liability. McDonald's the corporation does not instruct their franchises on how much to pay their workers. PM Lito http://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=306086 about running a franchise, and who determines the wages. He ran a Taco Bell or some such fast food company. He can corroborate me on this. Also, if you would like to continue, let's start a separate thread please.
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It WOULD be Joe getting sued. AND McDonald's, assuming that Joe's actions are attributable to McDonald's, like the coffee temperature. McDonald's gives instructions for operating the business that Joe follows as part of the conditions of his franchise. They BOTH get sued. There isn't a single defendant.

This isn't splitting hairs, there are 2 different entities, and both can have liability. McDonald's the corporation does not instruct their franchises on how much to pay their workers. PM Lito http://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=306086 about running a franchise, and who determines the wages. He ran a Taco Bell or some such fast food company. He can corroborate me on this. Also, if you would like to continue, let's start a separate thread please.


Sorry, I didn't mean to derail the official picture thread, my bad.

/Santara moderated

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Sorry, I didn't mean to derail the official picture thread, my bad.

/Santara moderated


If the pictures don't provoke discussion, what's the point of having a thread for it on the discussion forum?
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If the pictures don't provoke discussion, what's the point of having a thread for it on the discussion forum?


fight back with pictures :D
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If the pictures don't provoke discussion, what's the point of having a thread for it on the discussion forum?


That's a fair point. I guess I just worry that inconsistent moderation would close it for "too many off topic posts."
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