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Quote (Voyaging @ 3 Oct 2012 01:51)
Well I guess it's technically set theory, but the important point I'm making is that truth relates to propositions, not some abstract concept.

Propositions are the only things that can be true or false.


You don't get what is truth.
Truth is that which is, it does not relates to propositions, and it is concrete.
Exemple :
You were born several years ago, and you still live because you are still breathing.
The sun will raise this morning and set tonight.

This is right for anyone reading this.
Edit : It is also right for everyone not reading this.

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Quote (Eti_fr @ Oct 3 2012 01:06am)
You don't get what is truth.
Truth is that which is, it does not relates to propositions, and it is concrete.
Exemple :
You were born several years ago, and you still live because you are still breathing.
The sun will raise this morning and set tonight.

This is right for anyone reading this.
Edit : It is also right for everyone not reading this.


You just agreed with me.
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Quote (Voyaging @ 3 Oct 2012 09:53)
You just agreed with me.


No, what I said are not propositions, it is always right for everyone... If you think it is not, you are not rational.
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Godless Deity is Eti's multi isn't he.
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Godless Deity is Eti's multi isn't he.


Please go spam somewhere else, if you think I have multi, just report it to moderators... If you think this thread should be closed, just report it to moderators too.
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No, what I said are not propositions, it is always right for everyone... If you think it is not, you are not rational.


A claim of a true statement is a proposition.
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Oct 3 2012 11:02am
Quote (Voyaging @ 3 Oct 2012 18:06)
A claim of a true statement is a proposition.


That which is... is that which is. Truth/life can not be wrong --> it is not a proposition (or my english is too bad to understand what you mean with proposition).
The fact that you are breathing is not a proposition, it is truth you can check with your rational mind : If you stop breathing, you will not be able to answer this post, because your body will die... this is universal truth.
If you think you can live without breathing you are not rational.
It goes same way with eating, drinking and sleeping.
Check for yourself and try to stop eating/drinking and sleeping during a week, if you believe I am wrong.

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Quote (Eti_fr @ Oct 3 2012 01:02pm)
That which is... is that which is. Truth/life can not be wrong --> it is not a proposition (or my english is too bad to understand what you mean with proposition).
The fact that you are breathing is not a proposition, it is truth you can check with your rational mind : If you stop breathing, you will not be able to answer this post, because your body will die... this is universal truth.
If you think you can live without breathing you are not rational.
It goes same way with eating, drinking and sleeping.
Check for yourself and try to stop eating/drinking and sleeping during a week, if you believe I am wrong.


Yes, "true" is the value assigned to the proposition "you are breathing" which makes it "truth".
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Yes, "true" is the value assigned to the proposition "you are breathing" which makes it "truth".


Well, you like to play with words it seems... my point is : truth is truth for everyone, even though we all have a different perception of truth and life.
The sun will rise and set for everyone keeping breathing, even if it is not on same time.

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Quote (Eti_fr @ Oct 3 2012 04:26pm)
Well, you like to play with words it seems... my point is : truth is truth for everyone, even though we all have a different perception of truth and life.
The sun will rise and set for everyone keeping breathing, even if it is not on same time.


Indeed, agreed, but I am not playing with words, I am using the common use of the words.
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