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Quote (Psycho- @ Apr 5 2011 01:59am)
you just keep showing your ignorance about dogs. you are blaming the dog for every attack and aren't even touching the fact that most attacks are because of the person not the dog. dogs don't "just attack" no matter how much you want to believe.
you are also failing to realize that they are not banned on any merit other than the ignorant public such a yourself.
you find me some factual evidence that says pitbulls are born with a more aggressive nature and come back.


@bold This is true. Some dogs literally do have prey aggressive instinct, they will literally attack to kill and maim. This is extremely rare unless the animal is diseased or is a trained attack dog. The odds of finding such a dog outside of an illegal area (where heavy illegal activity is happening): probably less than 1:1,000,000.

@itallic This is also true. Unfortunately, since the public elects officials they also have influence on policy, even ignorant policy. That being said, pitbulls are very often bred for illegal dog fighting and are possibly the most common breed to do so with, which further leads to their bad rep.

@underline Pitbulls may be genetically more inclined to be aggressive, it's unknown really. They were bred for their physical characteristics and ease of training. They are extremely obedient dogs and are often not single-owner loyal, meaning they can be great with kids.

Overall, you can get an aggressive dog of any breed. Pure bred huskies and malamutes can be absolutely savage if they are not managed from birth. They are very smart breeds that are extremely powerful and still hold some of that wolf instinct of obeying authority. Anybody that has ever owned a malamute or husky knows that you absolutely have to train them early and strictly, or they will simply walk all over you and possibly be aggressive.

edit: Generally malamutes are a bit more quiet tempered than huskies, before a malamute lover comes after me. <3

edit2: That said, malamutes are generally more "adventurous" and harder to control than huskies, before the husky lovers come after me. <3

This post was edited by Everclear190 on Apr 5 2011 01:17am
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Apr 5 2011 01:14am
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more ignorant people approaching a defensive pack dog and being surprised when they get bit.....then the dogs are killed by other idiots for doing their job. gotta love people who blame the dog instead of the people.

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@bold This is true. Some dogs literally do have prey aggressive instinct, they will literally attack to kill and maim. This is extremely rare unless the animal is diseased or is a trained attack dog. The odds of finding such a dog outside of an illegal area (where heavy illegal activity is happening): probably less than 1:1,000,000.

@itallic This is also true. Unfortunately, since the public elects officials they also have influence on policy, even ignorant policy. That being said, pitbulls are very often bred for illegal dog fighting and are possibly the most common breed to do so with, which further leads to their bad rep.

@underline Pitbulls may be genetically more inclined to be aggressive, it's unknown really. They were bred for their physical characteristics and ease of training. They are extremely obedient dogs and are often not single-owner loyal, meaning they can be great with kids.

Overall, you can get an aggressive dog of any breed. Pure bred huskies and malamutes can be absolutely savage if they are not managed from birth. They are very smart breeds that are extremely powerful and still hold some of that wolf instinct of obeying authority. Anybody that has ever owned a malamute or huskie knows that you absolutely have to train them early and strictly, or they will simply walk all over you and possibly be aggressive.


even if they are naturally more aggressive there are people who have raised bears and approached them with their cubs(the absolute most dangerous thing you can attempt with a bear) and were welcomed. i'm a strict believer its how you raise the animal more than what the animal is.

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Apr 5 2011 01:15am
Quote (DeafBoy @ Apr 5 2011 03:09am)
Pit Bulls and the like can be great companions, and of all the German Shepards I have seen, all are amazingly behaved and well trained and great dogs. I've seen some good pit bulls and I've seen a few bad ones, but their owners were white trash.

So yeah I believe the owner is the most important aspect, but if the dogs are mistreated, I do agree it is very dangerous considered the viciousness of the breed when not trained properly and abused.


The viciousness of the breed? they are no more vicious than any other dog. Any dog and I do mean any dog, improperly trained and abused can turn into a killer.

City of Huntsville v. Tack, et al., Alabama Supreme Court(2002). The Supreme Court of Alabama affirmed the decision of the lower state court that pit bulls are not inherently dangerous
Zuniga v. County of San Mateo Department of Health Services, the California Court of Appeals held that pit bulls are not inherently dangerous. (1990)

Tellings v. City of Toledo (2004), the Court found that there is no statistical evidence which indicates that the pit bull bites more frequently than some other breeds of dogs.

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The viciousness of the breed? they are no more vicious than any other dog. Any dog. And I do mean any dog, improperly trained and abused can turn into a killer.

City of Huntsville v. Tack, et al., Alabama Supreme Court(2002). The Supreme Court of Alabama affirmed the decision of the lower state court that pit bulls are not inherently dangerous
Zuniga v. County of San Mateo Department of Health Services, the California Court of Appeals held that pit bulls are not inherently dangerous.  (1990)

Tellings v. City of Toledo (2004), the Court found that there is no statistical evidence which indicates that the pit bull bites more frequently than some other breeds of dogs.


i think he means it more like the "potential viciousness" because of their physique.
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Apr 5 2011 01:19am
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Apr 5 2011 03:15am)
The viciousness of the breed? they are no more vicious than any other dog. Any dog and I do mean any dog, improperly trained and abused can turn into a killer.

City of Huntsville v. Tack, et al., Alabama Supreme Court(2002). The Supreme Court of Alabama affirmed the decision of the lower state court that pit bulls are not inherently dangerous
Zuniga v. County of San Mateo Department of Health Services, the California Court of Appeals held that pit bulls are not inherently dangerous. (1990)

Tellings v. City of Toledo (2004), the Court found that there is no statistical evidence which indicates that the pit bull bites more frequently than some other breeds of dogs.


I mainly meant their physical characteristics can be dangerous. I totally agree any dog can be dangerous, but I was just stating the dogs get a bad rep due to their physical prowess compared to most other dogs.
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Apr 5 2011 01:22am
Quote (Psycho- @ Apr 5 2011 02:14am)
even if they are naturally more aggressive there are people who have raised bears and approached them with their cubs(the absolute most dangerous thing you can attempt with a bear) and were welcomed. i'm a strict believer its how you raise the animal more than what the animal is.


I completely agree. Pitbulls aren't exactly known for their intelligence, and typically the "less" intelligent dogs are more obedient. Pitbulls themselves aren't hard to train, but they require extra care in making sure they obey sit, stay, stop, down, get, go home, etc. commands, basically your "cease and desist" commands. Not because they are more prone to attack, but due to the nature of the stigma attached to them you need to have absolute vocal control over the dog should it become loose.

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Apr 5 2011 01:23am
Quote (DeafBoy @ Apr 5 2011 03:19am)
I mainly meant their physical characteristics can be dangerous. I totally agree any dog can be dangerous, but I was just stating the dogs get a bad rep due to their physical prowess compared to most other dogs.


Ah okay.
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Apr 5 2011 01:24am
People who have unleashed dogs are asking for them to be shot.
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Quote (Everclear190 @ Apr 5 2011 02:22am)
I completely agree. Pitbulls aren't exactly known for their intelligence, and typically the "less" intelligence dogs are more obedient. Pitbulls themselves aren't hard to train, but they require extra care in making sure they obey sit, stay, stop, down, get, go home, etc. commands, basically your "cease and desist" commands. Not because they are more prone to attack, but due to the nature of the stigma attached to them you need to have absolute vocal control over the dog should it become loose.


totally agree. even if you don't believe your animal is a threat as a pet own its your duty to have control over your pet. you never know when some kid is gonna kick your dog or aggravate it and you need to be able to control that situation if it happens.
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Quote (Psycho- @ Apr 5 2011 02:26am)
totally agree. even if you don't believe your animal is a threat as a pet own its your duty to have control over your pet. you never know when some kid is gonna kick your dog or aggravate it and you need to be able to control that situation if it happens.


Yeah, I had a dog that was siberian husky/malamute/black lab mix. She was sweet as sugar but a nightmare to control. She absolutely had to greet everybody, and it would often freak people out if I had her unleashed at a park. Took me prolly 10 months to train her to obey my commands without question.
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