That's what Trump said, not what people on here said. And I believe the Tariffs are going to continue for China, which would have that effect.

Amongst many other things, including used as a tool to get what you want, which I also said.

Is your attention span so short that you expect things to happen in mere hours and days?

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Feb 3 2025 05:22pm

tariffs arent going to bring back domestic production, the things we import are done so because its cheaper for American consumers
if we manufacture things that are more expensive to make instead of importing them, Americans will pay far , far more

Trump is using tariffs as a battering ram and nothing else

This post was edited by gnarjay on Feb 3 2025 05:26pm

I guess Trump wants to put the foot on the gas and reduce the time between that announcement and implementation. And I guess Trump had additional demands which included declaring cartels as terrorists which Trudeau did

Grond

I'm pretty astounded how so many of your speak with such certainty on what will happen. I swear it's like you guys have a crystal ball or something. Some things will be brought here, some things won't. I can give you an example of some things but it will be water off a ducks back as you guys simply pivot and move on to the next thing to obsess over Trump.

In 2020 Taiwan Semi announced plans to invest 12 billion dollars and bring a chip factory in Arizona. That didn't come from direct threat via tariff, but it came because both Trump and Biden pressured for us to have these critical industries that are considered of national security interests here in the US, with chips being a massive one. Since then, that commitment grew to 65 billion. Now no one is going to draw you a straight line and say we Taiwan Semi are investing in the US because the US pressured us to, but anyone with an ounce of discernment understands why it happened. Taiwan could very well fall under Chinese control in the future so the US has made sure Taiwan Semi can produce critical infrastructure here within the US.

If only you guys would understand that these things aren't decided in hours or days but literally take multiple years for decisions to be made. But tik-tok culture with shorts has really stunted your attention spans where you expect things to materialize in extreme short term. Today's tariff threat could drive investment that might happen 5 years from now, but don't expect that decision to be made hastily or lightly when it's literal billions on the line.


edit: Here's more detail if you care. And that decision that was announced in 2020 probably took months if not years for TSM board and US to decide upon behind closed doors. So literally lets say from 2019-2030 to materialize fully. And you guys expect things to happen in a month after he takes office? lol.



This post was edited by ofthevoid on Feb 3 2025 05:48pm

Well obviously because of the possibility of tariffs. But again that was anwhile ago, he already got what he wanted and then caused geo political/financial chaos by signing the executive order anyway. Strictly for the optics of it.
But it’s a net negative. Extorting your closest ally in the world and you only get what they were already committed to giving you. Sounds quite silly. Canada will undoubtedly diversify and reposition to be less dependent on the States. (To whatever extent they are capable of lol)

This post was edited by SharpNips on Feb 3 2025 05:46pm

We understand things take time. Decades even. And I would love for us to make stuff again. But I can't think of any time in history where tariffs increase domestic production and I know you can't either. I've given you 4-5 examples in a previous thread about of how tariffs don't increase domestic production, just increase prices.

https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/opportunity-road/rooney-tariffs-rising-prices

It's a solid read.

This post was edited by Fgs on Feb 3 2025 07:10pm

So one thing id like to touch on is the whole smuggling stuff across the northern border thing, cause i know some boys involved with it.

First of all, theres a MASSIVE amount of fentanyl(and other drugs) being smuggled on the daily. The chinese have completely taken over the drug trade in southern ontario and they ship em via boats across the great lakes (we get guns in return).

Glorious leader trudeau was NEVER going to seriously make an effort to stop any of this because hes gay (and paid off by the chinese)

Chinas UGLs have been hit all across the country (both in china and canada) last month, which seems like Trump's doing aswell. Theres a serious effort being made to stop fentanyl from getting into America. I have no idea how easy it is to smuggle drugs across the southern border, but i know for a fact that its a walk in the park up here.

Chinese fent comes to vancouver/mtl which makes its way to southern Ontario, which then ends up in NY. This is just the tip of the
iceberg:

Officers seize eight kilograms – potentially millions of doses – of fentanyl during traffic stop

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2025/officers-seize-eight-kilograms-potentially-millions-doses-fentanyl-traffic-stop

Yeah it's a net negative. We are less trusted as a trade partner on the global scale now. We managed to get some border patrol on both Mexico and Canadian side plus a few other things. The tariff threat is now seen for exactly what it is so the bargaining power of it has diminished greatly.

Anyone who is defending some sort of future ideals in regards to this tactic hasn't considered just how awful everything about these moves are.

The biggest positive I can think of is this showed us just how much bootlicking brainless morons Trump supporters are willing to defend anything, even something that directly makes them have to pay more on something they were (rightfully so) complaining about for the past 4 years. On top of that maybe more people are educated on just how ineffective tariffs are for their intended purpose.