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Jul 24 2024 06:04pm
Quote (excellence @ 24 Jul 2024 17:07)
these people should not be allowed to vote if they hold any student loan debt above say $5,000.

i live amongst a few of them and they are the most insufferable wishy-washy people ever. literal over-educated quasi-parasites who somehow don’t get the irony that they’re so educated but cannot pay a bill they’re contractually obliged to.


lmao so true!

for prez :P
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Jul 24 2024 06:05pm
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The Biden-Harris administration "paroled" well over a million inadmissible immigrants under a novel and unprecedented application of US parole authority. There neither was nor is any need for congressional action to prevent that, the Biden-Harris administration could simply have elected not to release millions into the United States, as Trump/Obama/Bush/Clinton(etc) all elected not to do in turn.

On the bill specifically...
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Page 62 provides $440 million over 2.5 years for more immigration judges

Page 64 earmarks $210 million for detention and $204 million for the FBI to analyze DNA.

Page 66 grants $33 million to monitor/report:/project migration flows.

Page 67 earmarks $6.0 billion over 2.5 years for broad objectives including counter-fentanyl activities, migration surges, port of entry expenses (i.e. to allow more migrants in), and reimbursing the DoD for costs already incurred. Only ~$500 million is earmarked for more border personnel, and $1.4 billion is to be transferred to FEMA in order to bail out Democratic cities for migrant sheltering costs and related activities.

Pages 68-69 earmarks $424 million for "non-intrusive inspection technology", and $260 for border security technology. An additional $3.2 billion for detention centers, $2.5 billion for flights, and $534 million for ICE hiring. Another $1.3 billion for expanding non-detention diversion. Finally another $100 million earmarked to FEMA, of which at least 25% must flow to non-southern border states.

Page 70 provides $4 billion for expanded immigration and citizenship services.

Page 82 clarifies that the vast majority of net new hires will be for asylum processing, not border control and enforcement.

Page 84 gives HHS $350 million in giveaways to states and NGOs for asylum resettlement.

Page 85 provides $1.2 billion for international economic aid within the Western hemisphere. Page 86 clarifies that only $185 million of that total need to be for reducing irregular migration.

Pages 115-120 codify the practice of releasing from custody those who "indicate an intention to apply for a protection determination" or express a "credible fear" of persecution. The Secretary will "serve notice" to the alien or their "counsel of record", except obviously in scenarios where the alien can no longer be found. The alien is to be reminded of their obligation to update the Secretary on mailing and telephone changes. If the alien decides to ignore these obligations, they'll be in violation of statutes which the Biden-Harris admin has in turn deprioritized for deportation. In short, once in there's no reasonable expectation that they'll be removed.

On page 203 of the "Border Bill", the definition of a credible asylum claim is changed from "significant possibility" to "reasonable possibility" of persecution.

On pages 205-211 the "emergency authority" carves out specific exceptions which include "reasonable possibility" of persecution, and gives the government broad latitude to ignore summary deportation for reasons as mundane as "operational considerations". On page 207, it's explicitly stated that the emergency authority does not prevent aliens from seeking asylum at a port of entry. Circle back to the first paragraph, allow mass entry of "asylum" claimants, the vast majority of whom will be rejected, and then deprioritize deportation so that they stay once admitted.

On page 212, the Secretary is only required to declare a state of emergency authority if the number of crossings over a 7-day span average 5,000 or more. That equates to 1,825,000 annually. On pages 212-213, only encounters between ports of entry are included in the 1,825,000 annual figure.

Pages 213-214, the Secretary shall suspend the emergency authority when rates fall below 75% of the activation level, or 1,368,750 annually.

Page 219 grants the President the authority to suspend any emergency on "national interest" grounds for a period of 45 days per calendar year.

Page 224 (re)clarifies that this only applies within 100 miles of the border, illegal migrants who make it north ~2 hours by bus are home free.


Just like Ukraione funding, its a lot of money that does nothing for border security.
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Jul 24 2024 06:09pm
Quote (blahaj @ Jul 24 2024 04:11pm)
You could say the exact same about Republicans btw, not saying it's a good thing just saying it's both sides doing it


Republicans had a primary
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Jul 24 2024 06:54pm
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Republicans had a primary





Good point. ^^
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Jul 24 2024 07:24pm
Quote (PapaPsych @ Jul 24 2024 08:09pm)
Republicans had a primary


The same one that lost to an aging old man with nothing behind him except "isn't the other guy" . He isn't a strong candidate and he'll fuck it up again.

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Good point. ^^


Ok little yes man move along
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Jul 24 2024 09:05pm
Quote (excellence @ Jul 25 2024 08:07am)
these people should not be allowed to vote if they hold any student loan debt above say $5,000.

i live amongst a few of them and they are the most insufferable wishy-washy people ever. literal over-educated quasi-parasites who somehow don’t get the irony that they’re so educated but cannot pay a bill they’re contractually obliged to.


I propose a fair trade, people with more than 5k of student debt can't vote if people who live in trailers or own more than 5 guns also can't.
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Jul 24 2024 09:06pm
So anyway I listened to Biden's speech and I'll say about 60% of it was fluff and 40% was trying to champion his policies. In his whole term, he has never sounded more like a politician than he did today. He gave a great speech, delivered it reasonably well, hit all his stump lines and talking points, made a bunch of flowery aphorisms about democracy and then never answered the one fucking question he was up there to talk about. So yeah he didn't give any answer at all to why he's withdrawing, don't give me bullshit about "for democracy", the only context that's an appropriate answer is if you're LARPing Helldivers II.
The fact he's alive and able to appear in person is enough to say its not so acute a health issue he can't physically carry out his role as president, and the fact he just spent 6 days vanished off the face of the earth and missed scheduled events- and had the whole party apparatus insisting he would serve 4 more years- is enough to say it wasn't planned and choreographed handoff.

I think there's really only one reasonable conclusion. This is just nothing more than a desperate DNC gambit. They saw he was getting wrecked in polling and signs it would only get worse, and he was forced to accede to this by the party. They were willing to short circuit the primaries and upset the whole established idea of how our national democracy is supposed to work just to roll the dice against Trump. And there's no doubt they are introducing chaos into the system so if they were in a losing position at least it could benefit them. However, Kamala is still absurdly heavily disfavored by conventional metrics. Early polling has her down by as much as double digits in every swing state except maybe Wisconsin, even worse than Joe.

This presents us with two paths for the future. Either Kamala Harris loses and the DNC looks like a clown fiesta and we're left wondering how our democracy can survive the democrats throwing out the results of elections and trying every dirty trick to grasp at power- or Kamala Harris wins and its probably the result of actual vote rigging.
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Jul 24 2024 09:23pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 24 2024 10:06pm)
So anyway I listened to Biden's speech and I'll say about 60% of it was fluff and 40% was trying to champion his policies. In his whole term, he has never sounded more like a politician than he did today. He gave a great speech, delivered it reasonably well, hit all his stump lines and talking points, made a bunch of flowery aphorisms about democracy and then never answered the one fucking question he was up there to talk about. So yeah he didn't give any answer at all to why he's withdrawing, don't give me bullshit about "for democracy", the only context that's an appropriate answer is if you're LARPing Helldivers II.
The fact he's alive and able to appear in person is enough to say its not so acute a health issue he can't physically carry out his role as president, and the fact he just spent 6 days vanished off the face of the earth and missed scheduled events- and had the whole party apparatus insisting he would serve 4 more years- is enough to say it wasn't planned and choreographed handoff.

I think there's really only one reasonable conclusion. This is just nothing more than a desperate DNC gambit. They saw he was getting wrecked in polling and signs it would only get worse, and he was forced to accede to this by the party. They were willing to short circuit the primaries and upset the whole established idea of how our national democracy is supposed to work just to roll the dice against Trump. And there's no doubt they are introducing chaos into the system so if they were in a losing position at least it could benefit them. However, Kamala is still absurdly heavily disfavored by conventional metrics. Early polling has her down by as much as double digits in every swing state except maybe Wisconsin, even worse than Joe.

This presents us with two paths for the future. Either Kamala Harris loses and the DNC looks like a clown fiesta and we're left wondering how our democracy can survive the democrats throwing out the results of elections and trying every dirty trick to grasp at power- or Kamala Harris wins and its probably the result of actual vote rigging.


Another taped recording, and the best take they could get of him reading off a teleprompter for a couple of minutes what someone else wrote.
He just went on and on about talking points and feel good platitudes.
What was the point of that?
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Jul 24 2024 09:42pm
Quote (PapaPsych @ Jul 24 2024 10:23pm)
Another taped recording, and the best take they could get of him reading off a teleprompter for a couple of minutes what someone else wrote.
He just went on and on about talking points and feel good platitudes.
What was the point of that?


The point was he was obligated to explain why he is backing out of the election and needed to make it look like he was answering, without answering.

So here we are with a shadowy cabal of unknown power players who decided that the will of the voting public should be disregarded and the public doesn't deserve an explanation.
How many cycles before this is the norm for state and local elections too?
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Jul 24 2024 09:52pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 24 2024 10:42pm)
The point was he was obligated to explain why he is backing out of the election and needed to make it look like he was answering, without answering.

So here we are with a shadowy cabal of unknown power players who decided that the will of the voting public should be disregarded and the public doesn't deserve an explanation.
How many cycles before this is the norm for state and local elections too?


I thought it was to try and repair the damage from his debate, and try to shill the public that he is fit to remain in office for the rest of the year.
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