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Jun 11 2023 07:47pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 11 2023 08:31pm)
I haven't read the thread, but I suppose an argument from the smarter cultists is that that particular law is unconstitutional? If the president wants to declassify information, a statute that renders such information illegal for non-presidents to have after declassification could be unconstitutional?

Trump of course never declassified any of these documents, so it doesn't matter, but worth pondering I suppose.


Notice how Goom is still harping about Trump having the ability to declassify documents. They haven't been told what to think yet. But I'm sure Goom will let us know with a 10 paragraph essay as soon as his thoughts are written for him.
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1667898575546732544

Barr debunking some Trump nutter talking points. You love to see it.
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Increased political violence is very possible but I don't even see how a civil war would work. Many states are made up of a lot of Democrats and a lot of Republicans. What would the uniforms be?

A Civil War is an idea that deranged right-wingers fantasize over because they want to kill their fellow Americans. Democrats don't. So in reality it'll be more attacks from right-wing nutters on government buildings or Democratic groups.

The outcome is similar to January 6th. The people who do violence go to jail, and the politicians who enabled it continue to hold power, and Democrats do better electorally because most Americans aren't nutters.


Why do they need uniforms?

Didn't a dude go to a republican baseball game and gun down a bunch of them or is it just a mental health issue if they are a Democrat?

If you think it will look anything like January 6th you will be pretty surprised if it happens lol
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Jun 11 2023 07:52pm
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Notice how Goom is still harping about Trump having the ability to declassify documents. They haven't been told what to think yet. But I'm sure Goom will let us know with a 10 paragraph essay as soon as his thoughts are written for him.


Goom's committed to the bit, we know nothing's going to change that, lol.
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Jun 11 2023 07:54pm
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Goom's committed to the bit, we know nothing's going to change that, lol.


Oh yeah, I use him to gauge what the official talking point is and determine how fucked the Republican is. Based on the poor quality of the arguments and the length of his posts I'd say right fucked.

Usually debunking him takes a little more work than just looking up the definition of one word, so the fact that his arguments are this weak really says something.

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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jun 11 2023 09:49pm)
Why do they need uniforms?

Didn't a dude go to a republican baseball game and gun down a bunch of them or is it just a mental health issue if they are a Democrat?

If you think it will look anything like January 6th you will be pretty surprised if it happens lol


How does a war work without distinctions between friendly and enemy?

Yeah, that's a good example of how it would probably play out. Random nutters would enact violence, and the government would kill them.
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Jun 11 2023 07:56pm
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Increased political violence is very possible but I don't even see how a civil war would work. Many states are made up of a lot of Democrats and a lot of Republicans. What would the uniforms be?

A Civil War is an idea that deranged right-wingers fantasize over because they want to kill their fellow Americans. Democrats don't. So in reality it'll be more attacks from right-wing nutters on government buildings or Democratic groups.

The outcome is similar to January 6th. The people who do violence go to jail, and the politicians who enabled it continue to hold power, and Democrats do better electorally because most Americans aren't nutters.


Just because an actual civil war isn't in the cards doesn't mean our democracy is beyond breaking. What happens if Trump is locked up under a cloud of politicization and overreach, the elections are held in a firestorm, Republicans wind up torn between a right wing who vow to boycott the illegitimate elections and centrists who want to grasp for the last vestiges of power, Democrats sweep and wind with a 90%+ margin and take over swing states, right wing states openly talk about seceding and do not recognize the results as legitimate. It doesn't need men marching into cannonballs to reach a point where national democracy dies in America and whatever is left, is either fractured and balkanized, or crushed under an authoritarian heel.

This is a pretty direct path towards the issue the folks screaming about January 6th were using as a bludgeon to attack the right: The legitimacy of our elections and shared civic acceptance of their outcomes. If half the country feels disenfranchised by a regime arresting the opposition candidate, there's no way a democracy survives. Its happened in plenty of other countries, what makes us immune to it?

I said many times it was good for our nation for Hillary to get a free pass since any attempt to persecute her would only lock up one woman but harm the fabric of an entire nation, the 'Nixon standard' as its been thrown around the past few days. And at that point she was a powerless has-been with no bearing on actual political outcomes. Now we're talking about the front runner in a 2 party system in an election year, the highest possible stakes in the whole world, and the best excuse the Democrats could conjure to lock him up is him doing something stupid and harmless.
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Just because an actual civil war isn't in the cards doesn't mean our democracy is beyond breaking. What happens if Trump is locked up under a cloud of politicization and overreach


and by which you mean a totally legitimate criminal investigation in which the accused was given every opportunity to make a remedy and then used it as an excuse to rile up the base into a treasonous mob.

In that case open fire. Do reconstruction right this time so we don't have conservative dipshits making the country worse for another hundred years.
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Jun 11 2023 08:01pm
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Just because an actual civil war isn't in the cards doesn't mean our democracy is beyond breaking. What happens if Trump is locked up under a cloud of politicization and overreach, the elections are held in a firestorm, Republicans wind up torn between a right wing who vow to boycott the illegitimate elections and centrists who want to grasp for the last vestiges of power, Democrats sweep and wind with a 90%+ margin and take over swing states, right wing states openly talk about seceding and do not recognize the results as legitimate. It doesn't need men marching into cannonballs to reach a point where national democracy dies in America and whatever is left, is either fractured and balkanized, or crushed under an authoritarian heel.

This is a pretty direct path towards the issue the folks screaming about January 6th were using as a bludgeon to attack the right: The legitimacy of our elections and shared civic acceptance of their outcomes. If half the country feels disenfranchised by a regime arresting the opposition candidate, there's no way a democracy survives. Its happened in plenty of other countries, what makes us immune to it?

I said many times it was good for our nation for Hillary to get a free pass since any attempt to persecute her would only lock up one woman but harm the fabric of an entire nation, the 'Nixon standard' as its been thrown around the past few days. And at that point she was a powerless has-been with no bearing on actual political outcomes. Now we're talking about the front runner in a 2 party system in an election year, the highest possible stakes in the whole world, and the best excuse the Democrats could conjure to lock him up is him doing something stupid and harmless.


Hillary didn't get a free pass, Comey rightly concluded a prosecution was not merited. Trump was rightly indicted by the Special Counsel for his behavior. The fact that America's political system and voters are so detached from reality that they can't accept that reality... well... so what? Maybe we should do the right thing, consequences be damned. I think America can handle it.

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 11 2023 07:00pm)
and by which you mean a totally legitimate criminal investigation in which the accused was given every opportunity to make a remedy and then used it as an excuse to rile up the base into a treasonous mob.

In that case open fire. Do reconstruction right this time so we don't have conservative dipshits making the country worse for another hundred years.


You cry about conservatives like I cry about black people, lmao.
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